Am I some newbie who's jumping the gun about Usyk's place on the Pantheon?

[Haka]

Can't see anything other than Usyk stopping Tyson with a jab.

[Willow The Wisp]

Ok. Time has past, and I've had a chance to even out a bit:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Jack Dempsey
4. Jack Johnson
5. George Foreman
6. Larry Holmes
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Oleksandr Usyk
9. Wladimir Klitschko
10. Rocky Marciano
11. Sonny Liston
12. Mike Tyson
13. Joe Frazier
14. Gene Tunney
15. Tyson Fury
16. James J. Jeffries
17. Sam Langford
18. Ezzard Charles
19. Evander Holyfield
20. Harry Wills
21. John L. Sullivan
22. Joe Jeanette
23. Ken Norton
24. Rid**** Bowe
25. Vitali Klitschko
26. Max Baer
27. James J. Corbett
28. Anthony Joshua
29. Max Schmelling
30. Peter Jackson
31. Sam McVey
32. Deontay Wilder
33. Sailor Tom Sharkey
34. Jerry Quarry
35. Luther McCarty
36. Jersey Joe Walcott
37. Cleveland Williams
38. Ron Lyle
39. Zora Folly
40. George Godfrey
41. Earnie Shavers
42. Jimmy Ellis
43. Floyd Patterson
44. Jimmy Young
45. Jess Willard
46. Tommy Gibbons
47. Eddie Machen
48. Gerry Cooney
49. Joseph Parker
50. Ike Ibeabuchi


Usyk is truly great; and few would question that. He does, IMO, need 3 to 5 more quality heavyweight wins to advance any further up my revised, more calm rankings.

And remember; though he's getting up there in age, he has the total fight numbers of a hot young contender who just broke into the top 10. That matters some, like it or not. That's his one missing piece for any further proclamations of true greatness.

What he should be aiming for, lest knowing people examining his legacy declare that his was a middling level career beyond repeating decision nods over career ending Fury and Joshua and a pair of stoppages over the hot and cold contender Dubois. And as level heads prevail, they certainly will see him that way:


2025
Daniel Dubois.........................KO 5. ✔️
Joseph Parker........................TKO 11
2026
Zhilei Zhang...........................TKO 10
Agit Kabayel...........................W UD 12
2027
Moses Itauma........................TKO 12
Bakhodir Jalolov.................... W UD 12


That - would bump him up to where many younger and casual fans see him today.

Father time will cut plenty of slack for ANY 24 fight boxer. So, no excuses found there.

[smmworldpanel]

Honestly, it might sound a bit early to some, but I genuinely believe Usyk has already earned a serious place among the greats. His skill set, composure, and adaptability are something we rarely see. smm service provider

[Bronson66]

Ok. Time has past, and I've had a chance to even out a bit:
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Jack Dempsey
4. Jack Johnson
5. George Foreman
6. Larry Holmes
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Oleksandr Usyk
9. Wladimir Klitschko
10. Rocky Marciano
11. Sonny Liston
12. Mike Tyson
13. Joe Frazier
14. Gene Tunney
15. Tyson Fury
16. James J. Jeffries
17. Sam Langford
18. Ezzard Charles
19. Evander Holyfield
20. Harry Wills
21. John L. Sullivan
22. Joe Jeanette
23. Ken Norton
24. Rid**** Bowe
25. Vitali Klitschko
26. Max Baer
27. James J. Corbett
28. Anthony Joshua
29. Max Schmelling
30. Peter Jackson
31. Sam McVey
32. Deontay Wilder
33. Sailor Tom Sharkey
34. Jerry Quarry
35. Luther McCarty
36. Jersey Joe Walcott
37. Cleveland Williams
38. Ron Lyle
39. Zora Folly
40. George Godfrey
41. Earnie Shavers
42. Jimmy Ellis
43. Floyd Patterson
44. Jimmy Young
45. Jess Willard
46. Tommy Gibbons
47. Eddie Machen
48. Gerry Cooney
49. Joseph Parker
50. Ike Ibeabuchi


Usyk is truly great; and few would question that. He does, IMO, needs 3 to 5 more quality heavyweight wins to advance and further up my revised, more calm rankings.
And remember; though he's getting up there in age, he has the numbers of a hot young contender who just broke into the top 10. That matters some, like it or not. That's his one missing piece.


2025
Daniel Dubois.........................KO 5
Joseph Parker........................TKO 11
2026
Zhilei Zhang...........................TKO 10
Agit Kabayel...........................W UD 12
2027
Moses Itauma........................TKO 12
Bakhodir Jalolov.................... W UD 12

That - would bump him up.

I doubt he will still be fighting in 2007.
Parker and Kabayel would likely earn him a place in my top ten,but whom to leave out?

[Mr Mitts]

Honestly, it might sound a bit early to some, but I genuinely believe Usyk has already earned a serious place among the greats. His skill set, composure, and adaptability are something we rarely see. smm service provider

Yeah, he has. I already rate him an ATG but not the Goat heavyweight. He could be rated an ATG just off his cruiser work, where he might even be the cruiser GOAT.

[QueensburyRules]

Yeah, he has. I already rate him an ATG but not the Goat heavyweight. He could be rated an ATG just off his cruiser work, where he might even be the cruiser GOAT.

- - Won Olympic Gold at 200lbs and turned pro at 200lbs which in his era meant a fight weight of 215lbs.

Ali won Olympic Gold at 175 and turned pro and didn't break 200 until Ancient Archie 15 fights later. Worse, 45 yr old Arch admitted he threw that fight so he could bet on the round that Ali predicted.

Jus'da facts, ma-am...

[Willow The Wisp]

- - Won Olympic Gold at 200lbs and turned pro at 200lbs which in his era meant a fight weight of 215lbs.

Ali won Olympic Gold at 175 and turned pro and didn't break 200 until Ancient Archie 15 fights later. Worse, 45 yr old Arch admitted he threw that fight so he could bet on the round that Ali predicted.

Jus'da facts, ma-am...

Lol. Your alternate reality is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.

[QueensburyRules]

Lol. Your alternate reality is a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.

- - You obviously don't qualify, but I stick to just the facts, ma-am that you seem short of like when paying for your restaurant bill.