Who actually beats Johnson at his absolute prime?

[Bronson66]

I listed Martin as Jonhson's second best win.

As I said Langford was only 20 and new to fighting heavyweights.

Moran was nothing special. But he was a heavyweight, had experience, and likey would be 6-10th ranked by Ring Magazine if it was around then. LOOK at the films. The fight is slightly in Johnson's favor on the 20+ minutes footage shown on You Tube.

Now are you going to Jacks' his best five wins taking in consideration the age, working conditions, weights and experience level? I listed mine. You avoid that topic of of shame.

I'll take contemporary fight reports over edited highlights every time.

The question posed by the OP is;

"Who Actually Beats Johnson At His Absolute Prime ?"
So how about you have the courtesy to answer that question instead of juxtaposing your own one in its place?

[Willie Pep 229]

I'll take contemporary fight reports over edited highlights every time.

The question posed by the OP is;

"Who Actually Beats A Prime Johnson?"
So how about you have the courtesy to answer that question instead of juxtaposing your own one in its place?

No, it actually reads: Who actually beats Johnson at his absolute prime?

My 'absolute prime' was 18 YOA -- 5' 7" 142 lbs.

I wouldn't have lasted two minutes with Johnson at my 'absolute prime.'

Real Answer: I think any of the lineal champions after Willard could beat a prime Johnson; and Johnson could also beat any of them.

Take that answer seriously. Johnson has the size and skill level to compete in any era, but he was inconsistent enough to lose on any given night.

It's OK to have a bad day with Flynn or Hart, but not with Louis or Marciano. You don't get away with that.

[Bronson66]

I will take a film of the fight over somelese write up of one.

Who Actually Beats A Prime Johnson? A lot of guys. Johnson's numerous losses and draw combined with the fact that he did not fight the best contenders while while champion from 1909-1914 leaves us with his best five wins to answer that question. I explored that.

Compare his best 5 wins to another contender or champion. Why don't you?. He comes up short.

Now, are you going to list Johsnon's best five wins in your opinion?

You'll take edited highlights over ringside reporters who saw the whole fight?lol

[Bronson66]

No, it actually reads: Who actually beats Johnson at his absolute prime?

My 'absolute prime' was 18 YOA -- 5' 7" 142 lbs.

I wouldn't have lasted two minutes with Johnson at my 'absolute prime.'

Real Answer: I think any of the lineal champions after Willard could beat a prime Johnson; and Johnson could also beat any of them.

Take that answer seriously. Johnson has the size and skill level to compete in any era, but he was inconsistent enough to lose on any given night.

It's OK to have a bad day with Flynn or Hart, but not with Louis or Marciano. You don't get away with that.

Okay I'll edit it to the correct wording , not that it makes a scrap of difference, its just you being pedantic.

Q. Who Actually Did Beat Him When He Was In His Absolute Prime?

A. Nobody.

Unbeaten from1908 to 1915.

[Bronson66]

I'm still trying to understand why out of one side of their mouth they say Sam Langford was a lesser god who made white fighters tremble; but out of the other side of their mouth they say he wasn't competitive against Jack Johnson.

It seems Langford's prowess waxes and wanes as needed, per argument.

Because you are not taking into account the timeline,1906.
Most of his more celebrated victories were still in front of him.

If you disagree that Johnson beat Langford easily ,state your argument ,produce your contradictory evidence,to prove your case
Otherwise ,WTF are you rambling on about?

[Willie Pep 229]

Because you are not taking into account the timeline,1906.
Most of his more celebrated victories were still in front of him.

If you disagree that Johnson beat Langford easily ,state your argument ,produce your contradictory evidence,to prove your case
Otherwise ,WTF are you rambling on about?

No I am not saying whether he did or didn't.

Improve your reading comprehension as you like to point out to others.

I was pointing out how that little dog who follows your parade will make duplicitous remarks so long as he thinka he sounds right.

I think you exactly the point I was making and this is a pure BS post on your behalf.

You disappoint.

[Bronson66]

You want a reveiw of London times form a man who saw the fight?

https://lostmag.matthewbrian.com/issue36/frankmoran.php


The night of the fight arrived, Frank Moran versus Heavyweight champion Jack Johnson for the heavyweight crown. George Carpentier, a young promising French light heavyweight, would referee and judge the 20-round scheduled bout. The bout would be quite a rough and tumble, bloody affair with a lot of pushing, shoving, clinching, and fouling. On several occasions Johnson was warned for throwing low blows and heel punches. Despite his best efforts, Frank was unable to unleash and connect with the full force of "Mary Ann" and the spry old Johnson did his best to avoid falling for "Mary Ann." On the occasions that Frank did connect, the wily Johnson would hold and clinch Frank just long enough to keep him from unleashing another punch, often without warning from Carpentier. However, whenever Frank grabbed Johnson into a clinch Carpentier would quickly intercede and say, "Allez, Moran, Allez" or "Go, Moran, Go." As the bell sounded at the completion of the twentieth and final round the two boxers slowly walked back to their corners battered, bruised, and exhausted. A hush fell over the crowd as many in the arena felt that the title might be about to exchange hands. Frank Moran, an Irish American and "great white hope", might bring the title back to its rightful place and a great celebration would await him back in the states, but it was not to be. Carpentier walked to the middle of the ring, stepped up to the microphone and awarded the fight to the reigning champion, Jack Johnson. A chorus of boos echoed through the arena as many of Frank's countrymen were in attendance and felt that Frank had won the fight. According to Alexander Johnston, author of Ten- And Out!, Frank Moran should have been crowned the heavyweight champ, he writes, "Indeed, Moran did more than last; he gave Johnson the fight of his life. 'Mary Ann' was working to perfection that night. Moran landed it in every round, and in the tenth, twelfth, fifteenth, and later rounds it was jarring Johnson so that he hung on. The negro champion's marvelous defense saved him from losing his title and robbed 'Mary Ann' of enough of her power to stave off the knockout. However, Moran was the aggressor during the whole 20 rounds. He landed more blows and on a strict interpretation of the rules should have been given the decision." After the decision was announced the two fighters embraced and Frank congratulated Johnson on retaining his title. According to an article written by Frank, himself, for the Topical Times of London recounting his bout for the title, Johnson looked Frank in the eye and said, "Moran, no one in the world could have knocked you out tonight", Frank replied in kind and said, "Well Jack, no one has got a defense quite like yours." As luck would have it, neither Frank nor Johnson would be paid for their hard fought battle as a Chicago Brewer had secured a creditor's attachment on the purse as Johnson supposedly owed them a large sum of money. As luck would further have it, the following day after the fight, a young Bosnian-Serb would assassinate Archduke Franz-Ferdinand of Austria triggering a series of events that would begin the great war, World War I. The French government placed a moratorium on all civil debts and the promoter took full advantage of this with neither Frank nor Johnson ever receiving a cent.

This is a lot of BS McKetrick tied up the purses including his own.The true story is to be found in Pollacks Jack Johnson The Reign ,but you don't want the truth do you.

Keep that hate going,you've nothing else to offer! lol

[Bronson66]

You sad old man, you said you'd take a write up over a film. I gave one. Would you like to see more who flet this way in the fight?

You often quote Pollack when it is in your rooting interest, but never his words that are true and shift Johsnon down a peg. Like what he had to say about Johnson vs Hart in his Hart book. You are very transparent.

And you love the freemasons... Those men who dress funny, and display satanic symbols in their temples. It just so happens that Jack Johnson was a member. He was also a wife beater and law breaker. A man who wanted to be selfish wanted to be the only black champion. No wonder you like him and have a rooting interest in him.

Oh we are back to the Masons again?

Have you ever been in a Masonic Temple,if so which one, and which satanic symbols did they display in there?

Remember when you stated Masons were Devil Worshippers and Pedophiles?

Remember when I asked you which of the following Masons on this list were Devil Worshippers,and which were Pedophiles?

George Washington
Benjamin Franklin
Andrew Jackson
Paul Revere
John Paul Jones
James Monroe
James Garfield
William McKinley
Douglas Macarthur
Harry S Truman
Davey Crockett
Jim Bowie
Kit Carson
James Buchanan
Jack Dempsey
Mark Twain
Gen Pershing
Gen Omar Bradley
Gerald Ford
Sam Houston
Sam Colt
Charles Lindbergh
Louis Armstrong
John Glenn
Buzz Aldrin
Count Basie
Ray Robinson
Franklin D Roosevelt
Theodore Roosevelt
John Wayne
Duke Ellington
Nat Cole
John Phillip Sousa [Stars and Stripes Forever]
These are just a few American Free Masons.
So which of them were Devil Worshippers and which of them were Pedophiles?
Now's your chance!
Reveal to the world your vast knowledge of Free Masonry and all its evil ways!
Meanwhile how about discussing boxing?

[Bronson66]

Since you asked ...

The masonic are conducted in secret. Let's say I know a law enforcement person who was a X member of the masonic blue lodge. He says joining them was a big mistake as among other things they worship the devil. There are questionable things done to animals and women that I will not write here.

In their sanctuaries the is a the gasthyl figurine of Baphomet. I take it you know who he is among other pagan symbols like the pentagram which can be seen in thier sanctuaries..

In the UK the government can listen to anyone, and smartphones are everywhere. Masons think they are immune to this, and maybe they were 30 years ago... Furthermore the whole thing is like some reverse pyramid funneling money from the lower level guys. Pay your dues. Besides, you likey don't know their higher level secrets. To gain access you likey need to be a level 30 guy or higher. Never join a group that does not reveal itself.

They take all types or religions, and their true goal is to " liberate "the past and be reborn in the cult to worship you know who, while dangling vices, secrets and power to the lower level people. They try to keep their rituals secret.

Now let us talk abuot boxing. You can list Jack Jonnson's best five wins and debate who he would defeat and who would beat him in this thread.

Well, let's say either your friend or you are lying because the image of Baphomet is in no Masonic temple .
It was an image used in the 14th century by the Knights Templar and long ,long ago fell into disuse by them.

No Mason worships the Devil that is totally alien to our beliefs.
The Pentagram ,the five pointed star is represented in two ways inside a circle and without a circle.
The Masonic pentagram is without a circle,and has no connection to witchcraft.
No animals or women are involved in male Masonic Lodges in any way, shape ,or form.
Stop prattling on about subjects of which you are totally ignorant !

I'll give you my five picks when you tell me which of the names on my list of famous US Masons were, Devil worshippers and which were Pedophiles!

You are an absurdity.lol

[Bronson66]

[QUOTE=Dr Z;n32510283]

Since you asked ...

The masonic are conducted in secret. Let's say I know a law enforcement person who was a X member of the masonic blue lodge. He says joining them was a big mistake as among other things they worship the devil. There are questionable things done to animals and women that I will not write here.

In their sanctuaries the is a the gasthyl figurine of Baphomet. I take it you know who he is among other pagan symbols like the pentagram which can be seen in thier sanctuaries..

In the UK the government can listen to anyone, and smartphones are everywhere. Masons think they are immune to this, and maybe they were 30 years ago... Furthermore the whole thing is like some reverse pyramid funneling money from the lower level guys. Pay your dues. Besides, you likey don't know their higher level secrets. To gain access you likey need to be a level 30 guy or higher. Never join a group that does not reveal itself.

They take all types or religions, and their true goal is to " liberate "the past and be reborn in the cult to worship you know who, while dangling vices, secrets and power to the lower level people. They try to keep their rituals secret.

Now let us talk about boxing. You can list Jack Jonnson's best five wins and debate who he would defeat and who would beat him in this thread.[/QUOTE


Bronson 66*,

And are you going to list Jack J's best five wins?

Remember the one eye salute

Keep the asburbituy going. I know what the mason's are all about. Look around there sanctuaries.

The are full or Pagan symbols,

You are an illiterate fool who can't construct a sentence let alone a cohesive argument