Who actually beats Johnson at his absolute prime?

[travestyny]

I told you where to look. DUH, you are trying your best to back out of a debate already. I'm ready for it, are you chicken?


Your old friend Bronson says Jeffries would have beaten Jack Jonhson in 1905. But you are free to list his win over a man who had to lose approximately 60-80 pounds of fat, was out of the ring for six years and old as one of Jack Johson's best five wins.


We are waiting....


I predict you will back out of the debate under the given rules. Prove me wrong for once.

I don’t need to know where to look. You show the proof! Post the link or a screen cap. Where did you get it from? Did you just pull it from your ass? Show the proof!

why would I back out of something I already answered. YOU are trying to back out. SHOW THE PROOF OR ADMIT YOU HAVE NONE. Simple.

waiting for you. Stop ducking like a bltch. I told you before. I played your game once and passed the test. Now you are running scared. Show the proof or admit you don’t have any.

[travestyny]

I see you abandoned fessing up to where that quotation came from, huh? What happened to "Step up to the plate!"?

You don't get to make any more demands here until you address that. Take your lumps like a man, coward

Still waiting for you to step up to the plate Dr. Coward. I told you the quotation is NOT in the book and you asked me to show proof I own it. I did. Then you dropped the topic

Post a picture or link to the magazine and tell us what the primary source of the quotation is Dr Z
stop ducking it. Your turn to step up to the plate!

[Dr Z]

Still waiting for you to step up to the plate Dr. Coward. I told you the quotation is NOT in the book and you asked me to show proof I own it. I did. Then you dropped the topic

Post a picture or link to the magazine and tell us what the primary source of the quotation is Dr Z
stop ducking it. Your turn to step up to the plate!

IDIOT. I told you at least three times, the quote comes from Boxing Illustrated, not the book. The magazine went out of business years ago (1995 ) but I did list the date of its article so presumabl you can find a copy of it.


Now that your little game is over, are you ready to list Jack's Johnson's best five wins? I listed the rules of the debate. Whether you can comprehend and follow them, I do not know?


I think you are either ashamed to list them or you know I will eat your diverl alive. Maybe it's both.

[travestyny]

IDIOT. I told you at least three times, the quote comes from Boxing Illustrated, not the book. The magazine went out of business years ago (1995 ) but I did list the date of its article so presumabl you can find a copy of it.


Now that your little game is over, are you ready to list Jack's Johnson's best five wins? I listed the rules of the debate. Whether you can comprehend and follow them, I do not know?


I think you are either ashamed to list them or you know I will eat your diverl alive. Maybe it's both.

No idiot. YOU find a copy of it. You are the one who posted it with no link, no picture, NOTHING. Post your proof that it even exists. If you expect me to just take your word for it when you are a known liar, that’s not happening. I already pulled your card in the past when you claimed to have full Harry Wills fights and I know you were lying. I challenged you to prove that in the dome and you ducked it, as usual.
The magazine is NOT a primary source. The article was supposedly from the 1960’s. Johnson died before that. So post the proof that the article exists and let us see what the primary source is for the quotation.

Stop ducking it or admit you have NOTHING. Then we move on from there. Why would I be afraid to post something that I’ve literally already posted and is simply a matter of opinion you fool?

You challenged me once. I ACCEPTED AND PROVED EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. Now it’s your turn. Put up or admit you have nothing. I’ll be waiting.

[Bronson66]

No idiot. YOU find a copy of it. You are the one who posted it with no link, no picture, NOTHING. Post your proof that it even exists. If you expect me to just take your word for it when you are a known liar, that’s not happening. I already pulled your card in the past when you claimed to have full Harry Wills fights and I know you were lying. I challenged you to prove that in the dome and you ducked it, as usual.
The magazine is NOT a primary source. The article was supposedly from the 1960’s. Johnson died before that. So post the proof that the article exists and let us see what the primary source is for the quotation.

Stop ducking it or admit you have NOTHING. Then we move on from there. Why would I be afraid to post something that I’ve literally already posted and is simply a matter of opinion you fool?

You challenged me once. I ACCEPTED AND PROVED EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. Now it’s your turn. Put up or admit you have nothing. I’ll be waiting.

He's been doing **** like this for years! I don't think he knows what a primary source is! he has claimed he has a"friend," who has film of Greb fighting,but he is sworn to secrecy about it.

Klompton called him a barefaced liar and asked him to prove it by stating the serial number of the film,he didn't reply.

He claims to have seen Langford v Hague,he hasnt ,it doesn't exist.

There are two unique things that happened in that fight if he had seen the fight he would know what they were,when I asked him he didn't have a clue what I was referring to!

He claimed the Fitzsimmons v Ruhlin fight was filmed,it wasn't and said Ted Spoon agreed with him ,I contacted Ted and he stated he had never spoken to him and said you can post that!

I posted three authors Gilbert Odd,Adam Pollack, and Steve Compton,stating the fight wasn't filmed because the cameras failed to work.

A re-enactment was made by S Lubin and Z claimed that counted as the fight being filmed and reneged on our bet.

He is a proven liar many times over,a bigoted hater, and a bet welsher.

Still lying about being banned from ESB, saying he posts there when he likes .

Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. MENDOZA banned

He wouldn't be here is he could post there!

Having a bet with him is a waste of time because when he is proven wrong he will weasel out of honouring it.

[travestyny]

He's been doing **** like this for years! I don't think he knows what a primary source is! he has claimed he has a"friend," who has film of Greb fighting,but he is sworn to secrecy about it.

Klompton called him a barefaced liar and asked him to prove it by stating the serial number of the film,he didn't reply.

He claims to have seen Langford v Hague,he hasnt ,it doesn't exist.

There are two unique things that happened in that fight if he had seen the fight he would know what they were,when I asked him he didn't have a clue what I was referring to!

He claimed the Fitzsimmons v Ruhlin fight was filmed,it wasn't and said Ted Spoon agreed with him ,I contacted Ted and he stated he had never spoken to him and said you can post that!

I posted three authors Gilbert Odd,Adam Pollack, and Steve Compton,stating the fight wasn't filmed because the cameras failed to work.

A re-enactment was made by S Lubin and Z claimed that counted as the fight being filmed and reneged on our bet.

He is a proven liar many times over,a bigoted hater, and a bet welsher.

Still lying about being banned from ESB, saying he posts there when he likes .

Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. MENDOZA banned

He wouldn't be here is he could post there!

Having a bet with him is a waste of time because when he is proven wrong he will weasel out of honouring it.

Dude is a certified weirdo. Making demand after demand of others but when it comes to his turn to step up all he does is lie and avoid. I’m not even sure what he is trying to prove with his whole Johnson 5 best wins thing. Any pro who has at least 5 wins can garner opinions about which were the 5 best. If he disagrees, why doesn’t he post his own opinion of Johnson’s 5 best wins? On top of being a liar and a ducking coward, he honestly just doesn’t seem very bright.

[Bronson66]

Dude is a certified weirdo. Making demand after demand of others but when it comes to his turn to step up all he does is lie and avoid. I’m not even sure what he is trying to prove with his whole Johnson 5 best wins thing. Any pro who has at least 5 wins can garner opinions about which were the 5 best. If he disagrees, why doesn’t he post his own opinion of Johnson’s 5 best wins? On top of being a liar and a ducking coward, he honestly just doesn’t seem very bright.

He has pathologically hated Johnson for over a decade he's obsessed by him,its a sickness.

[Dr Z]

Dude is a certified weirdo. Making demand after demand of others but when it comes to his turn to step up all he does is lie and avoid. I’m not even sure what he is trying to prove with his whole Johnson 5 best wins thing. Any pro who has at least 5 wins can garner opinions about which were the 5 best. If he disagrees, why doesn’t he post his own opinion of Johnson’s 5 best wins? On top of being a liar and a ducking coward, he honestly just doesn’t seem very bright.

DUCK, DUCK, DUCK..... The onus is one YOU if you disagree with something to counter not I.

You're chick $#^t to engage in a debate with me.

Clearly you are unarmed and I say small brained for a debate with me. I would embarrass you.

You lie, and always seek an out which in this case you can not prove even though I listed the source.

Last chance to debate me. Otherwise skip my posts.

[Bronson66]

DUCK, DUCK, DUCK..... The onus is one YOU if you disagree with something to counter not I.

You're chick $#^t to engage in a debate with me.

Clearly you are unarmed and I say small brained for a debate with me. I would embarrass you.

You lie, and always seek an out which in this case you can not prove even though I listed the source.

Last chance to debate me. Otherwise skip my posts.

Listen, for about the hundredth time,when you claim something the onus is on you to prove it,not others to disprove it!

You couldn't win a debate with my 3 years old Grandson!

[Dr Z]

Listen, for about the hundredth time,when you claim something the onus is on you to prove it,not others to disprove it!

You couldn't win a debate with my 3 years old Grandson!

Does another board count as proof on waht was siad by Johnson? I want to get you on record first. Your move, and tell us again that Jeffries would defeat Johnson in 1905 because you wrote it.


If you want to debate Jack Johnson's top five wins under the terms under the conditions I layed out with me, go for it . After all, it falls under this thread.



You may argue that because he beat Ketchel ( you claim a pre -arraignment fight ) means he would beat X heavyweight. This middle weight who wore cowboy boots to look taller and wore a tech coat to look heavier. That is if you list him Jack's top five wins. He floored Johsnon and reports say Johnson got up as was still dazed after the fight ended. New paper reports.


Your grandson can help you because you need it.