Jack Dempsey Auto Bio

[Bennyleonard99]

- - Interviewed him in the early 70s as something close to a Cub Reporter where he was instructed on the questions to ask. That's 20 years later.

The Dempsey autobio was put together by his beautiful daughter in law who took after her beautiful mother, Jack's last and best marriage. Since Jack is very humble about his few shortcomings and shares the pain of having little $$$ for most of his career, that's the magnus opus of all Dempsey writings.

Need to be humble about your shortcomings, but you ain't smart enough...

You interviewed Jack?

[Willie Pep 229]

Jack never mentioned any of this in the Roger Khan book. Sounds like propaganda or fake news.

New Tork Times, September 20th 1927

This is an article regarding the SECOND letter regarding the Mike Trent issue. (Although it is addressed through mention of Boo Boo Hoff's involvement.) **

The first 'open letter' Dempsey sent was regarding Trent and the possible 'poisoning.' Tunney replied to with a condescending, dismissive note.

Don't think Dempsey didn't have an opinion on the matter in 1927. He most certainty did.

Roger Kahn is a popular and prolific writer/ historian, but he writes BIOGRAPHIES, the lowest form of history.

The absence of proof is not proof of absence. Stay away from biographies, they're written for money not love history.

September 20th 1927


CHICAGO, Sept. 19.-Jack Dempsey stood pat on his charges against Gene Tunney and today repeated his demand that the world's heavyweight champion explain all the facts regarding the 1926 title bout at Philadelphia. In reply to Tunney's letter asking Dempsey if he thought his action was "sportsmanlike" the Manassa Mauler shot a counter-question at the champion: "Does Tunney think it was sportsmanlike when he agreed to that deal with Max (500 Boo) Hoff in Philadelphia?" asked Dempsey.

At Dempsey's camp it was said that Jack has prepared another open letter to Tunney, in which he says that Tunney's answer is “unsatisfactory.”

"They're breaking my heart,” Tunney is reported as having said at his Lake Villa camp. "The letter has upset me so that I am afraid I shall not be able to go on with my training. Isn't it terrible?" And he is reported to have smiled sarcastically as he said it.

" There is a lot under the surface of this thin;,' said Gibson. "The Dempsey crowd is cooking up something. Lots of ugly rumors are floating around Chicago about the ſight and what Dempsey has up his sleeve. But I am absolutely confident that everything will be all right and that Gene Tunney will walk out of the ring Thursday night still heavyweight champion."


** I will endeavor to locate the first letter which addresses the Trent issue directly.

[Willie Pep 229]

Jack never mentioned any of this in the Roger Khan book. Sounds like propaganda or fake news.

Here is Dempsey denying he was poisoned, but this is December 1926.

He would change his mind come 1927 after hearing stories.

But to be fair this is Dempsey's attitude at first; the gracious loser. Not poisoned

New York Times December 1926


LOS ANGELES, Dec. 2 (AP).—Jack Dempsey denied here today that poisoned coffee had anything to do with his losing the heavyweight boxing crown to Gene Tunney several months ago.

"I probably had a little touch of ptomaine a week or so before the fight, but that hadn't anything to do with the result. I was perfectly all right when I went into the ring and knew what was going on all the time."

Captain Charles J. Mabbutt, who was chief of Dempsey's training camp, was quoted from Baltimore yesterday as saying that he, Dempsey and his trainer were made ill from poison placed in coffee cream on the Saturday preceding the fight.

"I can't imagine Mabbutt saying that," Dempsey added.

The story, credited to Captain Charles J. Mabbutt, that Jac': Dempsey was suffering from the effects of poison on the night he lost his world's heavyweight championship to Gene Tunney was further scouted yesterday in local boxing circles when John Broderick, a detective who had been one of Dempsey's personal bodyguards during the days preceding the fight, declared he was certain there was nothing to the report.

According to Broderick, he, Jack Smith, another detective; Jerry the Greek and Dempsey were the only four to have breakfast in Kerry Cottage in Atlantic City on the Saturday morning preceding the fight. All three, he said, were with the former champion constantly from that time on until Dempsey climbed through the ropes, and at no time during that period did Dempsey show any symptoms of having been poisoned.

[Bennyleonard99]

Here is Dempsey denying he was poisoned, but this is December 1926.

He would change his mind come 1927 after hearing stories.

But to be fair this is Dempsey's attitude at first; the gracious loser. Not poisoned

New York Times December 1926


LOS ANGELES, Dec. 2 (AP).—Jack Dempsey denied here today that poisoned coffee had anything to do with his losing the heavyweight boxing crown to Gene Tunney several months ago.

"I probably had a little touch of ptomaine a week or so before the fight, but that hadn't anything to do with the result. I was perfectly all right when I went into the ring and knew what was going on all the time."

Captain Charles J. Mabbutt, who was chief of Dempsey's training camp, was quoted from Baltimore yesterday as saying that he, Dempsey and his trainer were made ill from poison placed in coffee cream on the Saturday preceding the fight.

"I can't imagine Mabbutt saying that," Dempsey added.

The story, credited to Captain Charles J. Mabbutt, that Jac': Dempsey was suffering from the effects of poison on the night he lost his world's heavyweight championship to Gene Tunney was further scouted yesterday in local boxing circles when John Broderick, a detective who had been one of Dempsey's personal bodyguards during the days preceding the fight, declared he was certain there was nothing to the report.

According to Broderick, he, Jack Smith, another detective; Jerry the Greek and Dempsey were the only four to have breakfast in Kerry Cottage in Atlantic City on the Saturday morning preceding the fight. All three, he said, were with the former champion constantly from that time on until Dempsey climbed through the ropes, and at no time during that period did Dempsey show any symptoms of having been poisoned.

The media was all fake news and propaganda back then 100 years ago and even more so today.

[Willie Pep 229]

The media was all fake news and propaganda back then 100 years ago and even more so today.

Well there you go. If you believe that you can never be wrong. Sounds great.

Now if you really want that argument to stand you should show where the article is wrong, not make a chikd-like sweeping statement about fake news.

You almost sound like a MAGA person living in a personal bubble.

[Bennyleonard99]

Well there you go. If you believe that you can never be wrong. Sounds great.

Now if you really want that argument to stand you should show where the article is wrong, not make a chikd-like sweeping statement about fake news.

You almost sound like a MAGA person living in a personal bubble.

Wasn't alive back then to have witnessed it. But... "The truth is never told, it has to be learned."

[QueensburyRules]

You interviewed Jack?

- - Y U know Jack?

Stoooopid?

[QueensburyRules]

Here is Dempsey denying he was poisoned, but this is December 1926.

He would change his mind come 1927 after hearing stories.

But to be fair this is Dempsey's attitude at first; the gracious loser. Not poisoned

New York Times December 1926


LOS ANGELES, Dec. 2 (AP).—Jack Dempsey denied here today that poisoned coffee had anything to do with his losing the heavyweight boxing crown to Gene Tunney several months ago.

"I probably had a little touch of ptomaine a week or so before the fight, but that hadn't anything to do with the result. I was perfectly all right when I went into the ring and knew what was going on all the time."

Captain Charles J. Mabbutt, who was chief of Dempsey's training camp, was quoted from Baltimore yesterday as saying that he, Dempsey and his trainer were made ill from poison placed in coffee cream on the Saturday preceding the fight.

"I can't imagine Mabbutt saying that," Dempsey added.

The story, credited to Captain Charles J. Mabbutt, that Jac': Dempsey was suffering from the effects of poison on the night he lost his world's heavyweight championship to Gene Tunney was further scouted yesterday in local boxing circles when John Broderick, a detective who had been one of Dempsey's personal bodyguards during the days preceding the fight, declared he was certain there was nothing to the report.

According to Broderick, he, Jack Smith, another detective; Jerry the Greek and Dempsey were the only four to have breakfast in Kerry Cottage in Atlantic City on the Saturday morning preceding the fight. All three, he said, were with the former champion constantly from that time on until Dempsey climbed through the ropes, and at no time during that period did Dempsey show any symptoms of having been poisoned.

- - Same deal with Big George who fortunately had the presence in the moment to immediately spit out what he hadn't guzzled down, so he wasn't actually sick, but somewhat slowed down, but enough to beat the hell out of Ali's body that permanently reduced his mobility and power. He immediately fired Sadler after the fight.

Jack said he had to be carried from the car to the dressing room because he was so weakened. Interestingly while admitting gross lethargy during the fight, he landed a HR shot on Tunney that stunned him which is what I have always noted when Tunney had to stop to check if his teeth were still there.

Shame is the two fight tapes are in such sad shape that not much can be understood save for the long count.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Same deal with Big George who fortunately had the presence in the moment to immediately spit out what he hadn't guzzled down, so he wasn't actually sick, but somewhat slowed down, but enough to beat the hell out of Ali's body that permanently reduced his mobility and power. He immediately fired Sadler after the fight.

Jack said he had to be carried from the car to the dressing room because he was so weakened. Interestingly while admitting gross lethargy during the fight, he landed a HR shot on Tunney that stunned him which is what I have always noted when Tunney had to stop to check if his teeth were still there.

Shame is the two fight tapes are in such sad shape that not much can be understood save for the long count.

At the weigh-in that afternoon, Dempsey was offered a postponement because he looked so pale and drained.

Some think Dempsey's appearance that afternoon help change the odds at ringside.

Word got out that Mike Trent delivered the goods (poison olive oil). Maybe!

The fight went off with Tunney a 7-5 favorite, while the odds are few days before were Dempsey 4-1.

Rothstein, The Great Fixer, had 100K bet on Tunney and was bragging about it. Something he usually stayed quiet about.

[Bronson66]

at the weigh-in that afternoon, dempsey was offered a postponement because he looked so pale and drained.

Some think dempsey's appearance that afternoon help change the odds at ringside.

Word got out that mike trent delivered the goods (poison olive oil). Maybe!

The fight went off with tunney a 7-5 favorite, while the odds are few days before were dempsey 4-1.

Rothstein, the great fixer, had 100k bet on tunney and was bragging about it. Something he usually stayed quiet about.

i would need primary dources for allthis.