Jack johnson - How good was his chin?

[Bronson66]

- - He did it when he was offered the biggest purse in boxing history that was prob the summation of his previous sumptuous boxing purses.

What, Baby McVey again for U? JJ and Jeannette were the only 2 legit contenders at heavyweight while he was champ. Not only did JJ lose to Hart in 1905, he lost Jeannette also.

Mcvey was only 20 yrs old then with a 8-3 record and didn't even fight in 1905 when Jeff retired as undefeated best ever hvy champ.

Really, school finally got tired of kicking U down a grade and kick U out permanent now?

Johnson and Jeannette fought 7 times Jeannette won one of them ,on a disputed foul.
Jeannette was not a contender duringJeffries reign.

[Bronson66]

with his hugging style, he really limited the action. Chins are best tested when they are hit. A fighter named joe choynski iced him. And another named stanley ketchel dropped him. These men were well under 180 lbs. I say his punch resistance was average at best for a heavyweight.

Dr Z !!!! It didn't take you long to make an alt,and creep back!!
ps Johnson was not a heavyweight when Choynski stopped him .

[GhostofDempsey]

He didn't drop him ,he knocked him half way through the ropes,according to Smith,Johnson sparred a further 6 rounds with 3 different sparring partners that afternoon.
The average weight of Johnson's challengers was the highest up until Joe Louis' reign .

Smith dropped him hard and Johnson’s manager abruptly ended the sparring session. You may be factoring in his later opponents weight who were post Willard and mostly journeymen and forgettable.

[Bronson66]

Smith dropped him hard and Johnson’s manager abruptly ended the sparring session. You may be factoring in his later opponents weight who were post Willard and mostly journeymen and forgettable.

No according to both Johnson and Smith,Smith knocked Johnson halfway through the ropes.

Not that I think its of any importance sparring partners sometimes drop their employers,and Smith was a good puncher
You would need to have an agenda to think it means anything significant.

Johnson sparred a further 6 rounds with3 different partners.I posted their names on here about a year ago.
No, again,I am referring to Johnson's title challengers.

You are welcome to do the math about the weights yourself if you want.

[Bronson66]

What do you know about Klon**** Haynes, outside of what BoxRec can tell you?

i know Klon***e was no more less experienced than Johnson when he beat him.

[GhostofDempsey]

No according to both Johnson and Smith,Smith knocked Johnson halfway through the ropes.

Not that I think its of any importance sparring partners sometimes drop their employers,and Smith was a good puncher
You would need to have an agenda to think it means anything significant.

Johnson sparred a further 6 rounds with3 different partners.I posted their names on here about a year ago.
No, again,I am referring to Johnson's title challengers.

You are welcome to do the math about the weights yourself if you want.

It’s not an agenda to point out a fighter’s vulnerabilities. It is an agenda to defend them.

[Willie Pep 229]

If Jeffries had accepted the guarantee he was offered,don't you think McVey would have fought him?
Johnson made Munroe look silly in each round, how is that a failure?
Jeffries steadfastly refused to defend his tile against a black man,this is inarguable.

Every HW Champion from Sullivan to Tunney was expected to make such a statement and each did. The statement was a part of systemic racism.

To pick out one champion and make it look like it was the individual's decision alone is, in my opinion, disingenuous.

[Bronson66]

Every HW Champion from Sullivan to Tunney was expected to make such a statement and each did. The statement was a part of systemic racism.

To pick out one champion and make it look like it was the individual's decision alone is, in my opinion, disingenuous.

Jeffries was open about his discrimination against blacks .and as you say he was following the status quo.Im not singling him out ,I'm deflecting the implication which has been posted here many times byJeffries fans.[ the chief of whom has reappeared under an alt ,]that Jeffries would have been willing to drop his prejudice if the money was right.]

[Bronson66]

It’s not an agenda to point out a fighter’s vulnerabilities. It is an agenda to defend them.

So being put through the ropes in a sparring session by an acknowledged big puncher proves your chin is vulnerable ?
Is this your position?
In 76 fights Johnson was actually ko'd three times does that suggest to you that his chin was vulnerable?
First you have to prove the vulnerability!

[travestyny]

- - Proven that McVey didn't fight anyone in 1905, so how is Jeff supposed to fight him? Was McVey sick or injured?

Munroe was easy to make since Munroe fought 6x that year of 1904 including vs JJ in 1905, so when Jeff first fought him, he became the first and only fighter to KO him. Johnson failed in comparison. Munroe finished with an 9-3-2 record with an 89% including wins over longtime contenders/champs Sharkey and Maher.

Jeff's overall career fighting approx 1/3rd of his fights vs fighters of "color" exceeds most every heavy champ in those early days.

In Short, Jeff a much more advanced H0m0 Sapiens than you'll ever be.

The McVey fight was offered in 1903, if I'm not mistaken.

You mention Munroe's record that he finished with...?

What was his record when he fought Jeffries for the title? And what was McVey's record when the fight was offered to Jeffries in 1903?

If you need some help with this, just let me know.

I think you mean in short, Jeff would have drew the colorline against even me, because that's exactly what he did, didn't he?