Top 50ish P4P 1960-Present

[SCtrojansbaby]

My system

50% resume
25% ability
25% longevity

Tier1

Roy Jones Jr
Muhammad Ali
Carlos Monzon
Sugar Ray Leonard
Julio Cesar Chavez

Tier2

Mike McCallum Manny Pacquiao
Roberto Duran
Roman Gonzalez
Bernard Hopkins
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Michael Spinks
Wilfredo Gomez
Evaded Holyfield

Tier3

George Foreman
Fighting Harada
Marco Antonio Barrera
Lennox Lewis
Salvador Sanchez
Oleksandr Usyk
Emile Griffith
Eder Jofre
Andre Ward
Nonito Donaire
Jeff Fenech
Finito Lopez

Tier4

Rueben Olivares
Rafael Marquez
Juan Estrada
Canelo Alvarez
Juan Manuel Marquez
Jose Napoles
Winky Wright
Marvin Hagler
Felix Trinidad
James Toney
Alexis Arguello
Thomas Hearns
Erik Morales
Shane Mosley
Chris Eubank
Aaron Pryor
Sot Chilada
Joe Frazier
Larry Holmes
Azumah Nelson
Miguel Canto
Bob Foster
Pernell Whitaker
Humberto Gonzalez
**** Tiger
Naoya Inoue

Flame away...

[DeeMoney]

Duran needs to be tier 1- had a great run at Lightweight in the 70s, and beating prime SRL at SRL's best weight is arguably the best win ever. Later had good longevity throughout the 80s

Hagler and Hearns should be higher, though thats just my criteria, but I cant find a way to have them below Jeff Fenech, Nonito Donaire, and Fighting Harada.

Ditto for Pernell Whittaker

Id probably agree on 45 of the names being top 50, without actually doing a list right now.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Your Tier 2 Manny fought, whooped and otherwise knocked out more Ring P4Pers in history so much that nobody is even close.

Most years both divisionally and P4P ranked and most consecutive years in those categories

And he did it almost exclusively as the away fighter.

Me thinks you need a new system.

[Anomalocaris]

My system

50% resume
25% ability
25% longevity

Tier1

Roy Jones Jr
Muhammad Ali
Carlos Monzon
Sugar Ray Leonard
Julio Cesar Chavez

Tier2

Mike McCallum Manny Pacquiao
Roberto Duran
Roman Gonzalez
Bernard Hopkins
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Michael Spinks
Wilfredo Gomez
Evaded Holyfield

Tier3

George Foreman
Fighting Harada
Marco Antonio Barrera
Lennox Lewis
Salvador Sanchez
Oleksandr Usyk
Emile Griffith
Eder Jofre
Andre Ward
Nonito Donaire
Jeff Fenech
Finito Lopez

Tier4

Rueben Olivares
Rafael Marquez
Juan Estrada
Canelo Alvarez
Juan Manuel Marquez
Jose Napoles
Winky Wright
Marvin Hagler
Felix Trinidad
James Toney
Alexis Arguello
Thomas Hearns
Erik Morales
Shane Mosley
Chris Eubank
Aaron Pryor
Sot Chilada
Joe Frazier
Larry Holmes
Azumah Nelson
Miguel Canto
Bob Foster
Pernell Whitaker
Humberto Gonzalez
**** Tiger
Naoya Inoue

Flame away...

Hearns is WAY too low as is Arguello, Whitaker, Hagler and many others.

The four I mentioned belong in tier 2 at the least.

They made a lot of history.

[The D3vil]

Chavez too high.

Duran, Whittaker, Hearns, & Hagler too low.

No way Mike Tyson & Oscar De La Hoya shouldn't be on the list.

Both have been Ring's P4P #1 in their careers and are 2 of the 5 or so biggest draws in boxing history

[Dr Z]

My system

50% resume
25% ability
25% longevity

Tier1

Roy Jones Jr
Muhammad Ali
Carlos Monzon
Sugar Ray Leonard
Julio Cesar Chavez

Tier2

Mike McCallum Manny Pacquiao
Roberto Duran
Roman Gonzalez
Bernard Hopkins
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Michael Spinks
Wilfredo Gomez
Evaded Holyfield

Tier3

George Foreman
Fighting Harada
Marco Antonio Barrera
Lennox Lewis
Salvador Sanchez
Oleksandr Usyk
Emile Griffith
Eder Jofre
Andre Ward
Nonito Donaire
Jeff Fenech
Finito Lopez

Tier4

Rueben Olivares
Rafael Marquez
Juan Estrada
Canelo Alvarez
Juan Manuel Marquez
Jose Napoles
Winky Wright
Marvin Hagler
Felix Trinidad
James Toney
Alexis Arguello
Thomas Hearns
Erik Morales
Shane Mosley
Chris Eubank
Aaron Pryor
Sot Chilada
Joe Frazier
Larry Holmes
Azumah Nelson
Miguel Canto
Bob Foster
Pernell Whitaker
Humberto Gonzalez
**** Tiger
Naoya Inoue

Flame away...

Anyone who was the ring magzine's pound for pound #1 fighter should make this list. Ahem, Klitschko.

Things such as documented PED use as a pro should be a negative. And # 's of title defenses should be positive if they are numerous.

I appreciate the amount of work you put in. Pound for pound lists are a bit dicey since the fighters mostly can not fight each other, but do rank above or each other on such lists.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Hearns is WAY too low as is Arguello, Whitaker, Hagler and many others.

The four I mentioned belong in tier 2 at the least.

They made a lot of history.

I knew Hearns Duran Hagler Tyson and Pernell are gonna be controversial because they were superstars in the most glorified era(80s) but I stand by my placement.

Duran to me is at the top tier 2 but doesn't quite have a tier 1 resume.

Surprised im not getting **** for some of the 2010s guys being too high

Chocolatito
Canelo
Ward
Inoue
Estrada
Usyk
and Donaire

It took every fiber in my body to not put Donaire tier 2 and I was ready to vigorously defend it lol.

[DeeMoney]

I knew Hearns Duran Hagler Tyson and Pernell are gonna be controversial because they were superstars in the most glorified era(80s) but I stand by my placement.

Duran to me is at the top tier 2 but doesn't quite have a tier 1 resume.

Surprised im not getting **** for some of the 2010s guys being too high

Chocolatito
Canelo
Ward
Inoue
Estrada
Usyk
and Donaire

It took every fiber in my body to not put Donaire tier 2 and I was ready to vigorously defend it lol.

I'm interested in what you see in JCC's and Monzon's resume that you don't see in Durans (as resume was specifically cited as the reason why he is behind them)?

Moreover, as to your methodology, how exactly do you quantify within each category? I know resume itself accounts for 50% of the overall grade but how did you determine the resume grade to then give it a value that could become measured? Did you look at each fighters resume and then assign it a numerical grade (later multiplying that by 50%)? If so, doesnt that somewhat overlap with longevity, and thus make that 25% for longevity difficult to pinpoint?

Furthermore, in evaluating resume into a numerical measurement, how much did you take into account a given opponents overall ability at the specific time and weight? Monzon is a legendary fighter, but some of the big name opponents on his resume were past their prime, and fighting above their best weight. Is this taken into account (if so, how)? Or do we just say Emile Griffith was an atg and Monzon beat him so he gets 'X' amount of points for his resume.

Additionally to the what do you see in JCCs and Monzons resume that you dont see in Durans; what do you see in Fenech's, Donaire's, and Harada's that you don't see in the generally accepted ATGs that you rate below them (I assume resume is the key here as it is your largest criteria)?Does picking off an old version of Zarate or Azumah Nelson count that high (because Whittaker beat an early 30s version of Nelson, as opposed to the 50 year old one Fenech beat). Or fighting Harada, outside of Jofre whose the second best name on his resume to move him up so high?

[The D3vil]

Anyone who was the ring magzine's pound for pound #1 fighter should make this list. Ahem, Klitschko.

Things such as documented PED use as a pro should be a negative. And # 's of title defenses should be positive if they are numerous.

I appreciate the amount of work you put in. Pound for pound lists are a bit dicey since the fighters mostly can not fight each other, but do rank above or each other on such lists.

Klitschko was never P4P King

[Dr Z]

Klitschko was never P4P King

WK was # 1 p4p in Ring Magazine. You can get no higher.

The board may wish to consider Joe Calzage for tier 4 as he beat Jones, and Hopkins and has a 0 at the end of his record.

Monzon is overrated here. His resume of wins is average.

Jones was roided up. It's hard to say what he is without the PED's.