Tunny v Carpentier

[Willie Pep 229]

Gibbons couldn't have been that much of a draw,because he ended up fighting for nothing.

More Than A Century Ago: Harry Greb’s Incredible 1922 (Part Two)

April 29, 2025 Kenneth Bridgham
The win over Tunney had made Harry Greb the light heavyweight champion of America and promoter Tex Rickard spent the days before and after the victory dashing off cables to world light heavyweight king Georges Carpentier of France. He offered “The Orchid Man” as much as $150,000 to come to the States and take on Greb, and Carpentier had seemed amenable to the deal initially, but after reports of the performance by “The Smoke City Wildcat” made their way to Europe, he gave Rickard the cold shoulder. Four months later, Battling Siki of Senegal took Carpentier’s belt when he knocked him out in six rounds in Paris.

Once again, repeating something that isn't true does not make it true. You keep saying Carpentier fought Dempsey INSTEAD of Greb. That is not True. Carpentier turned down offers to fight Greb BEFORE he was ever signed to fight Dempsey, and long AFTER he had lost to Dempsey. Nobody would criticize Carpentier fighting Dempsey INSTEAD of Greb but that's not what happened. I don't even hold it against Carpentier that he chose not to fight Greb before he was ever signed to fight Dempsey. BUT, when the guy wins his title in the USA (under su****ious circumstances) and then a year after losing to Dempsey turns down the second highest offer of his career to face the guy considered by far the biggest threat to his LHW title and instead choses to fight the unknown Siki in a fight that he attempted to fix in his favor for a purse less than 1/5 the size of what he was offered for Greb that tells me all I need to know. Business my ass. Only ****ing fool thinks that its good business to lose your title to a clown in a fight that nearly ruins your reputation for 1/5 of an offer to fight Greb. If you think that's good business it would explain why you also seem to think arguing the same tired points over and over and over will eventually net you a different result or response. If you think that's good business it would explain why you seem to think that its cherry picking to use a comprehensive collection of sources to reach your conclusions instead of just the minority that agree with you. If you think that's good business it would explain why you would argue for days on end with someone who wasn't even reading your posts. LOL.Klompton

You're talking about a different fight.

Caepentier didn't try to fix the fight the referee and judges and seconds did, not Carpentier.

I think your boy Klompton sounds like history lite. Knows all the stories he's been told.

The Incredible Harry Greb does not sound like an unbiased source. Sounds like a fairy-tale.

[Bronson66]

You're talking about a different fight.

Caepentier didn't try to fix the fight the referee and judges and seconds did, not Carpentier.

I think your boy Klompton sounds like history lite. Knows all the stories he's been told.

The Incredible Harry Greb does not sound like an unbiased source. Sounds like a fairy-tale.

I posted this for interests sake, I have no dog in this fight.
Klompton is certainly not "my boy," I dislike him personally and he me ,but he is probably the man to go to re Greb.

I think Carpentier was as culpable for the fix with Siki as anyone.As I understand it knowing the fight was, "in the bag,"Georges did not train for the
fight,but when he began taking liberties with the Senegalese ,Siki got angry and began to get ambitious.


I neglected to separate what are two articles,if you go back and read my post again you will see that there are two authors.

[Willie Pep 229]

I posted this for interests sake, I have no dog in this fight.
Klompton is certainly not "my boy," I dislike him personally and he me ,but he is probably the man to go to re Greb.

I think Carpentier was as culpable for the fix with Siki as anyone.As I understand it knowing the fight was, "in the bag,"Georges did not train for the
fight,but when he began taking liberties with the Senegalese ,Siki got angry and began to get ambitious.


I neglected to separate what are two articles,if you go back and read my post again you will see that there are two authors.

No fight. I just want to paly iconoclast with Jab's love for Harry Greb. Just breaking balls.

Below is ChatGPT. It identifies both disputes. I was thinking about the 'in-ring' despute; you are mentioning a possible pre-fight fix. I was unaware of that; my ignorance.

If this fix is true then Battling Siki pulled off the classic double-cross. I hope he bet all the bribe money on himself to win. (If it is true.)

I love a good double-cross. I love prize fighting with all its w arts.

ChatGPT

Controversey

During the fight, Carpentier knocked Siki down multiple times early, but Siki rallied, knocking Carpentier down in the 6th round.

Carpentier was counted out, but the referee initially disqualified Siki, claiming he had fouled Carpentier.

The crowd protested loudly, and after chaos and discussion, the decision was reversed: Battling Siki was declared the winner by knockout, making him the first Black world light heavyweight champion.


Allegations:

It was widely rumored that the fight was fixed: Siki was supposedly paid to take a dive, but he refused to lose intentionally once in the ring.

Some accounts say Carpentier hit Siki low repeatedly, and when Siki retaliatedthe referee tried to use it as an excuse to rob him of the victory.


Aftermath:

The reversal shocked the French public, and Siki was celebrated briefly—but also marginalized.

The fight is remembered as an example of racial and national bias in boxing at the time, and possibly attempted corruption.

[Bronson66]

No fight. I just want to paly iconoclast with Jab's love for Harry Greb. Just breaking balls.

Below is ChatGPT. It identifies both disputes. I was thinking about the 'in-ring' despute; you are mentioning a possible pre-fight fix. I was unaware of that; my ignorance.

If this fix is true then Battling Siki pulled off the classic double-cross. I hope he bet all the bribe money on himself to win. (If it is true.)

I love a good double-cross. I love prize fighting with all its w arts.

ChatGPT

Controversey

During the fight, Carpentier knocked Siki down multiple times early, but Siki rallied, knocking Carpentier down in the 6th round.

Carpentier was counted out, but the referee initially disqualified Siki, claiming he had fouled Carpentier.

The crowd protested loudly, and after chaos and discussion, the decision was reversed: Battling Siki was declared the winner by knockout, making him the first Black world light heavyweight champion.


Allegations:

It was widely rumored that the fight was fixed: Siki was supposedly paid to take a dive, but he refused to lose intentionally once in the ring.

Some accounts say Carpentier hit Siki low repeatedly, and when Siki retaliatedthe referee tried to use it as an excuse to rob him of the victory.


Aftermath:

The reversal shocked the French public, and Siki was celebrated briefly—but also marginalized.

The fight is remembered as an example of racial and national bias in boxing at the time, and possibly attempted corruption.

I have Carpentier's autobiography his account of the fight is singularly unconvincing.

[solidman]

How good was Carpentier?

[Bronson66]

How good was Carpentier?

I don't think his record stands up well,he was the scourge of a crop of mediocre British heavyweights,but his a record at light heavyweight is underwhelming.

[solidman]

I don't think his record stands up well,he was the scourge of a crop of mediocre British heavyweights,but his a record at light heavyweight is underwhelming.

And he is one of the best names on Dempseys record. I was hoping you would say he was a great fighter to make Dempsey look good.

[Bronson66]

And he is one of the best names on Dempseys record. I was hoping you would say he was a great fighter to make Dempsey look good.

I don't think he is as good as Gibbons, Miske,Firpo ,or Brennan.

[Anomalocaris]

I don't think he is as good as Gibbons, Miske,Firpo ,or Brennan.

I never thought Bishop Brennan had a chance against Jack.

Dougal would have though.