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  • #61





    At worst you can say I used too harsh word choice. Bronson's attempt at at clean fight is simply propaganda. Even Jackson's IBHOF induction mentions the dubious nature of his success.

    Likewise, at worst you can say I speak disrespectfully to youse. Bronson's a racist.


    TBH, I kinda thought y'all would have time to come up with something clever, but no.


    Only motivation for attacking this thread is me. Then when I juxtapose his hateful ass it's all of a sudden a facts issue.

    Here's the thing, no ****ing way Bronson went to any source at all and didn't learn about the nefarious way John Jackson won, but don't let that stop him from crafting some on-the-fly propaganda like as if John Jackson settles the next 100 years of english boxing history.




    It's ****ing absurd. It's ****ing absurd you kunts refuse to call the **** a ****. Call me your friend for me than a decade and expect me to understand why you sit on the fence while cultural discrimination takes place right in front of you.




    When I share stories about Greeks do Greek dudes get on there to cry about negative bits?

    When I share stories about Italian Pugni do Italian get on my ass for being too negative about the negative bits and not gracious enough about the positive?

    When I talk about American racism are there any Americans offended?

    Oh but the great late 18th century englishman who won the title through distasteful tactics is def worth going to bat for from the likes of Bronny.




    Despite, both, a disclaimer telling you bro's I'm just trying to talk about history not Bronson's issue with me every GD damn, and the caveat "I know of no English national tale that didn't also include English being upset by their countrymen being unfair"



    Seems ****ing fair to say I went out of my way to talk about a topic kuntzilla doesn't care about, still made this slut cry without even trying, and get told back some bull**** about how easy it was for the cheater to put away rounds like as if that supports anything counter intuitive to my claim.

    As in, dude, you ****ing serious? What other proof I need you are intellectually dishonest, agenda driven, propagandists, and most of all a racist? Just ****ing short of outright saying it aren't you?


    Hey, ya dumbass dumb *******, remember when you told me Tommy Burns got in the best shape of his life to disprove smaller has higher stamina like as if Tommy Burns losing pounds for more stamina is counter to the claim? Yeah bro, you did doubles on that dumb****ery. John Jackson winning rounds doesn't disprove his cheating ways at all, but it might be evidence of it though. Ya know, if you weren't dumb as **** you would have thunk that through before posting it.




    The other little ***** crying because Lennox Lewis did a bit of ducking during his career and I hold him to it, I don't have much to say about him because I really don't give a **** about new members or old members who are too bitchass to tell me who they are.






    At WORST you're saying I should have used gentler words to describe Jackson's ****ery.

    At BEST you are a ****ing racist harassing me for not being English enough.




    Eat a **** son, I covered a **** ton. Could cite a book but you ain't read none. When you fire back better use a *******. Dakka
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    • #62
      Originally posted by Dr Z View Post


      @ Bronson66

      Jackson had three fights ( 2-1 ) , with Mendoza being his last. That was it.


      John Jackson was underhanded in the Mendoza fight as I said. Mendoza won the third round. No charge.




      There you go,

      You own Boxinina? Which volume? Somehow I doubt you own them all.






      On 15 April 1795, Mendoza fought "Gentleman" John Jackson on a stage at Hornchurch in Es***. At a muscular twenty-six, Jackson was five years younger than Mendoza's thirty-one, four inches (10 cm) taller, and 42 pounds (19 kg) heavier. Two hundred guineas, or a little over two hundred British pounds, were laid on each side, and the future King William IV was among the audience. The bout was only Jackson's third professional fight and the betting was recorded by Pierce Egan as having been in favour of Mendoza. Jackson, however, won in nine rounds, paving the way to victory by muscling Mendoza into the corner of the ring, grabbing his hair and pummeling his head with uppercuts using his free hand. Mendoza managed to come back up to scratch after this, but was soon knocked out. Jackson beat him into submission by the end of the ninth round. Mendoza asked for a foul for the hair pulling, but it was ruled to be legal at the time. Many pugilists, such as James Figg and Jack Broughton, shaved their heads to avoid the possibility of this, until hair-pulling was eventually banned in boxing. Mendoza retired after his loss, and though he attempted boxing comebacks, he never again enjoyed the same-size audiences or received large purses] Although Mendoza continued sparring tours well into the nineteenth century, 1795 marked the beginning of a steep decline in his popularity and for the most part, his income. He very rarely appeared in the London newspapers after this period, and had lost respect with much of the public.

      In 1799, Mendoza contracted a debt and ended in Carlisle Prison. Though he was bailed out by friends in the Freemasons, he later served another six months. With great connections, though a convict, he was later appointed Sheriff's Assistant to the County of Middle*** in 1806, though he would have to evade prison again in later life due to mounting debts.


      - Wikipedia


      http://www.ibhof.com/pages/about/ind...r/mendoza.html
      Fact. Jackson was never in danger of losing to Mendoza .

      Fact.At no time was Mendoza in control of the fight.

      Fact. Mendoza was down in the third round, so how did he win it?

      Fact. Mendoza was floored several times and went down voluntarily,many other times to avoid being knocked down.

      Fact. Jackson in holding Mendoza by the hair,and punching the bejesus out of Mendoza's face,committed no foul under the LPR laws as they were at that time.This was confirmed by the umpires, when Mendoza's corner raised an objection to the tactic,they were informed it was perfectly permissible under the LPR laws as they then were.

      Fact. Mendoza was punched into helplessness and was beaten into the ground in the ninth round,his face a bloody mess,whilst Jackson was virtually unmarked,and fresh enough to jump off the platform the fight was held on.

      Fact. It took Jackson just ten and a half minutes to render Mendoza helpless.

      Fact Mendoza did not seek a rematch for fourteen years!

      Fact Figg retired in1730.

      Fact Broughton retired in1750.

      Fact The Jackson v Mendoza fight was in1795,.so there was no connection between those named shaving their heads,and Jackson seizing Mendoza's hair.

      Fact I do not give a toss what anyone's nationality is,nor have I the slightest interest in defending British fighters just because they are British,both Jackson and Mendoza were British so that was never a factor to begin with .

      Fact. The untrue and objectionable accusation of racism which has been leveled against me is totally unjustified,I am not and never have been anti- semitic, and the fact my first wife of 25 years was ***ish blows that BS out of the water.

      No I don't own BOXININA LOL!


      But I do have the round by round report of the Jackson v Mendoza fight as published in BOXIANA !
      ANYONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM HAVE IT?
      How about the emotionally, out of control poster who states I did not refer to a source for my information?
      If he has a more verified information than Pierce Egan's ringside summary of the fight, which was my source,and from which I quoted verbatim, let him post it,and I will publicly defer to it

      I'm betting that he won't.
      I'm betting that instead of posting one single scrap of superior, provenance assured,information,to that I have posted,
      what he will do is post more deranged personal abuse of me,and anyone else who happens to be in the vicinity of his unbalanced tirades,calling them disloyal KUNTS at every opportunity.

      Here is a sample of what we have to look forward to.

      "It's ****ing absurd. It's ****ing absurd you kunts refuse to call the **** a ****. Call me your friend for me than a decade and expect me to understand why you sit on the fence while cultural discrimination takes place right in front of you.


      Seems ****ing fair to say I went out of my way to talk about a topic kuntzilla doesn't care about, still made this slut cry without even trying, and get told back some bull**** about how easy it was for the cheater to put away rounds like as if that supports anything counter intuitive to my claim.

      As in, dude, you ****ing serious? What other proof I need you are intellectually dishonest, agenda driven, propagandists, and most of all a racist? Just ****ing short of outright saying it aren't you?"

      I think ,"mental health issues," covers the above pretty well.lol
      All I have done is say the OP's thread is a misrepresentation of the fight and I posted the round by round summary to support my opinion.
      In return I've had a ******* of personal abuse,choice epithets such as KUNT .KUNTZILLA. DUMBASS. SLUT. F888ING RACIST . etc This absurdly over the top reaction just indicates that the OP is not dealing with a full deck. What I haven't had is a shred of evidence that what I posted is incorrect.


      The challenge is now out there!

      Post a more reliable source of the round by rounds of the Jackson v Mendoza fight that that I have posted,one that contradicts Egan's account, or shut up with this eternal bleating,hand wringing,pathetic, " poor me,what have I done to deserve this,disloyalty and lack of respect ,after all I have done for this forum BS"

      PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
      Last edited by Bronson66; 05-20-2025, 05:39 AM.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Bronson66 View Post
        Fact. Jackson was never in danger of losing to Mendoza .
        Fact.At no time was Mendoza in control of the fight.
        Fact. Mendoza was floored several times and went down voluntarily,many other times to avoid being knocked down.
        Fact. Jackson in holding Mendoza by the hair,and punching the bejesus out of Mendoza's face,committed no foul under the LPR laws as they were at that time.
        Fact. Mendoza was punched into helplessness and was beaten into the ground the ninth round,his face a bloody mess,whilst Jackson was virtually unmarked,and fresh enough to jump of the platform the fight was held on.
        Fact. It took Jackson just ten and a half minutes to render Mendoza helpless.
        Fact Mendoza did not seek a rematch for fourteen years!

        No I don't own BOXININA LOL!


        But I do have the round by round report of the Jackson v Mendoza fight!
        ANYONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM HAVE IT?
        How about the emotionally, out of control poster who states I did not refer to a source for my information?
        If he has a more verified information than Pierce Egan's ringside summary of the fight,which was my source, let him post it,and I will publicly defer to it

        I'm betting that he won't.
        I'm betting that instead of posting one single scrap of superior, provenance assured,information,to that I have posted,
        what he will do is post more deranged personal abuse of me,and anyone else who happens to be in the vicinity of his unbalanced tirades

        The challenge is now out there!

        PUT UP OR SHUT YOUR MOUTH!
        Re Bold: I have read that The Great John L. Would crop his hair short and shave his handle bar mustache off for his fights.

        Preferred gloved fights because he hated being grabbed, especially by the hair. He always wanted to punch not grapple.

        [EDIT] There no mention of the word "hair" in the LPR Rules 1853. Nor does the word "grab" appear.

        Nothing mentioned about "hair" in the LPR Rules 1838.

        Sullivan on the right. With cropped hair.

        I believe the negative got flipped. Sullivan in 'south paw' stance looks wrong.

        1518736886_7b8c.jpg

        Below is an artist's interpretation of the legend, mustache and all.

        sullivanvsmitchell.jpg
        Last edited by Willie Pep 229; 05-19-2025, 05:10 PM.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post

          Re Bold: I have read that The Great John L. Would crop his hair short and shave off his handle bar mustache off for his fights.

          Preferred gloved fights because he hated being grabbed, especially by the hair. He always wanted to punch not grapple.

          [EDIT] There no mention of the word "hair" in the LPR Rules 1853. Nor does the word "grab" appear.

          Nothing mentioned about "hair" in the LPR Rules 1838.

          Sullivan on the right. With cropped hair.

          I bieve the negative got flipped. Sullivan in 'south paw' stance looks wrong.

          1518736886_7b8c.jpg

          An artist's interpretation of the legend, mustache and all.

          sullivanvsmitchell.jpg
          You are correct Sullivan was clean shaven for his fights.

          The LPR rules, as they were in 1795 ,when Jackson fought Mendoza did not preclude ,grabbing an opponents hair with one hand and hitting him with the other.This is confirmed in Egan's account of the Jackson v Mendoza fight.

          If Mendoza wanted to wear his hair shoulder length,that was his prerogative ,just as it was Jackson's,to grab it with one hand and punch with the other.

          NO FOUL COMMITTED.
          Mendoza in this fight , went to the floor voluntarily several times to save himself from being knocked down/knocked out,this also was perfectly permissible ,under the rules of the time.
          NO FOUL COMMITTED.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Bronson66 View Post

            You are correct Sullivan was clean shaven for his fights.

            The LPR rules, as they were in 1795 ,when Jackson fought Mendoza did not preclude ,grabbing an opponents hair with one hand and hitting him with the other.This is confirmed in Egan's account of the Jackson v Mendoza fight.

            If Mendoza wanted to wear his hair shoulder length,that was his prerogative ,just as it was Jackson's,to grab it with one hand and punch with the other.

            NO FOUL COMMITTED.
            Mendoza in this fight , went to the floor voluntarily several times to save himself from being knocked down/knocked out,this also was perfectly permissible ,under the rules of the time.
            NO FOUL COMMITTED.
            I read once that Kilrain took between six and 12 knees in a row after Sullivan hurt him bad. Got himself a considerable rest, so he could continue (already concussed.)

            Most bare knuckle fighters wrestled eachother to the ground often. Rounds often lasting less than 30 seconds.

            I am certain I read once that Sullivan took at least two maybe three voluntary knee breaks with Kilrain. The article talked about how it excited the Kilrain fans who believed that there still might be hope.

            Anyway, definitely a practiced tactic right up to the last major bare knuckle fight (the only one I know anything about.)
            Last edited by Willie Pep 229; 05-19-2025, 06:46 PM.
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            • #66
              Originally posted by Bronson66 View Post
              Fact. Jackson was never in danger of losing to Mendoza .

              Fact.At no time was Mendoza in control of the fight.

              Fact. Mendoza was down in the third round, so how did he win it?

              Fact. Mendoza was floored several times and went down voluntarily,many other times to avoid being knocked down.

              Fact. Jackson in holding Mendoza by the hair,and punching the bejesus out of Mendoza's face,committed no foul under the LPR laws as they were at that time.This was confirmed by the umpires, when Mendoza's corner raised an objection to the tactic,they were informed it was perfectly permissible under the LPR laws as they then were.

              Fact. Mendoza was punched into helplessness and was beaten into the ground in the ninth round,his face a bloody mess,whilst Jackson was virtually unmarked,and fresh enough to jump off the platform the fight was held on.

              Fact. It took Jackson just ten and a half minutes to render Mendoza helpless.

              Fact Mendoza did not seek a rematch for fourteen years!

              Fact Figg retired in1730.

              Fact Broughton retired in1750.

              Fact The Jackson v Mendoza fight was in1795,.so there was no connection between those named shaving their heads,and Jackson seizing Mendoza's hair.

              Fact I do not give a toss what anyone's nationality is,nor ha ve I the slightest interest in defending British fighters just because they are British,both Jackson and Mendoza were British born in the UK, so that was never a factor to begin with .

              Fact. The untrue and objectionable accusation of racism which has been leveled against me is totally unjustified,I am not and never have been anti- semitic, and the fact my first wife of 25 years was ***ish blows that BS out of the water.

              No I don't own BOXININA LOL!


              But I do have the round by round report of the Jackson v Mendoza fight as published in BOXIANA !
              ANYONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM HAVE IT?
              How about the emotionally, out of control poster who states I did not refer to a source for my information?

              Does he have the same report?
              If he has more verified information than Pierce Egan's ringside summary of the fight, which was my source,and from which I quoted verbatim, let him post it,and I will publicly defer to it

              I'm betting that he won't.
              I'm betting that instead of posting one single scrap of superior, provenance assured,information,to that I have posted,
              what he will do is post more deranged personal abuse of me,and anyone else who happens to be in the vicinity of his unbalanced tirades,calling them disloyal KUNTS at every opportunity.

              Here is a sample of what we have to look forward to.

              It's ****ing absurd. It's ****ing absurd you kunts refuse to call the **** a ****. Call me your friend for me than a decade and expect me to understand why you sit on the fence while cultural discrimination takes place right in front of you.


              Seems ****ing fair to say I went out of my way to talk about a topic kuntzilla doesn't care about, still made this slut cry without even trying, and get told back some bull**** about how easy it was for the cheater to put away rounds like as if that supports anything counter intuitive to my claim.

              As in, dude, you ****ing serious? What other proof I need you are intellectually dishonest, agenda driven, propagandists, and most of all a racist? Just ****ing short of outright saying it aren't you?

              I think ,"mental health issues," covers the above pretty well.LOL


              All I have actually done is say the OP's thread is a misrepresentation of the fight and I posted the round by round summary to support my opinion.
              In return I've had a ******* of personal abuse,choice epiphets such as KUNT .KUNTZILLA. DUMBASS. SLUT. F888ING RACIST . etc This absurdly over the top reaction just indicates that the OP is not dealing with a full deck. What I haven't had is a shred of evidence that what I posted is incorrect.

              As to my being anti American/biased against Americans and it's boxers.
              My favourite authors are.Ernest Hemingway,John Steinbeck,Cormac McCarthy,and F Scott Fitzgerald,all American.

              My favourite male singers are ,Frank Sinatra,Tony Bennett,Johnny Mathis, and Nat King Cole,all American

              My favourite female singers are,Sarah Vaughn,Ella Fitzgerald,Barbra Streisand,and Della Reese,all American

              My favourite classical piece is Adagio For strings/Agnus Dei,by Samuel Barber,American.

              My favourite music is The Great American Songbook by composers such as.George Gershwin, Rogers & Hart,
              Cahn &; Van Heusen,Harold Arlen,Hoagy Carmichael, and Johnny Mercer.All American

              My favourite male actors.Bogart,Brando,Deniro,Hoffman,Hackman,Malden ,Cobb,Nicholson, and Duvall.All American.

              My favourite female actors.Streep,Close, Hepburn, Davis,Foster,and Lange.All American.

              My favourite boxers are,Jack Dempsey,Muhammad Ali,Joe Louis,and Ray Robinson,all American.

              Does that equate to Anti American?

              The challenge is now out there!

              Post a more reliable source of the round by rounds of the Jackson v Mendoza fight that that I have posted or shut up with this eternal bleating,hand wringing,pathetic, " poor me,what have I done to deserve this,disloyalty and lack of respect ,after all I have done for this forum BS"

              PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
              Apropos of the absurdly, over the top histrionics we have been treated to because I dared query the OP, whose thread is entitled The English Conspiracy,a title calculated to invite reaction.

              Let me make myself clear to any who are still following this spiralling wildly, out of control thread.

              All I have done is say the OP's thread is a misrepresentation of the fight and I posted the round by round summary to support my opinion.
              In return I've had a tirade of personal abuse,choice epithets such as KUNT .KUNTZILLA. DUMBASS. SLUT. F888ING RACIST . etc

              This absurdly over the top reaction just indicates that the OP has mental health issues.

              What I haven't had is a shred of evidence that what I posted is incorrect.

              As to my being anti American/biased against Americans and it's boxers?

              My favourite authors are.Ernest Hemingway,John Steinbeck,Cormac McCarthy,and F Scott Fitzgerald.All American.

              My favourite male singers are ,Frank Sinatra,Tony Bennett,Johnny Mathis, Nat King Cole,and Roy Orbison All American

              My favourite female singers are,Sarah Vaughn,Ella Fitzgerald,Barbra Streisand,Judy Garland and Della Reese.All American

              My favourite classical piece is Adagio For Strings/Agnus Dei,by Samuel Barber.American.

              My favourite music is The Great American Songbook by composers such as.George Gershwin, Rogers & Hart,

              Cahn & Van Heusen,Harold Arlen,Hoagy Carmichael, and Johnny Mercer.All American.

              My favourite male actors are,Hackman,Brando,March,Deniro,Duvall,Hoffman, Cobb,Malden , and Pacino.All American.

              My favourite female actors are,Davis,Streep,Close,Foster,Hepburn, and Lange. All American

              My favourite boxers are,Jack Dempsey,Muhammad Ali,Joe Louis, Ray Robinson,and Archie Moore.All American.

              When I watch boxing I root for whomever I want ,I'm not swayed by nationality or ethnicity,nor colour ,or creed.

              Now perhaps we could get back to the original subject and see some proof from the OP that Jackson did anything that was then ill​egal in his fight with Mendoza,himself a terrific battler who conceded both height and poundage to Jackson?

              You rebut others arguments with PROOF,not juvenile obscenities,so.---


              LETS HAVE THAT PROOF
              Last edited by Bronson66; 05-20-2025, 05:51 AM.

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              • #67
                Bronson66


                Fact. Jackson was never in danger of losing to Mendoza .

                Fact.At no time was Mendoza in control of the fight.

                Fact. Mendoza was down in the third round, so how did he win it?

                Fact. Mendoza was floored several times and went down voluntarily,many other times to avoid being knocked down.

                Fact. Jackson in holding Mendoza by the hair,and punching the bejesus out of Mendoza's face,committed no foul under the LPR laws as they were at that time.This was confirmed by the umpires, when Mendoza's corner raised an objection to the tactic,they were informed it was perfectly permissible under the LPR laws as they then were.

                Fact. Mendoza was punched into helplessness and was beaten into the ground in the ninth round,his face a bloody mess,whilst Jackson was virtually unmarked,and fresh enough to jump off the platform the fight was held on.

                Fact. It took Jackson just ten and a half minutes to render Mendoza helpless.

                Fact Mendoza did not seek a rematch for fourteen years!

                Fact Figg retired in1730.

                Fact Broughton retired in1750.

                Fact The Jackson v Mendoza fight was in1795,.so there was no connection between those named shaving their heads,and Jackson seizing Mendoza's hair.

                Fact I do not give a toss what anyone's nationality is,nor have I the slightest interest in defending British fighters just because they are British,both Jackson and Mendoza were British so that was never a factor to begin with .

                Fact. The untrue and objectionable accusation of racism which has been leveled against me is totally unjustified,I am not and never have been anti- semitic, and the fact my first wife of 25 years was ***ish blows that BS out of the water.

                No I don't own BOXININA LOL!


                But I do have the round by round report of the Jackson v Mendoza fight as published in BOXIANA !
                ANYONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM HAVE IT?
                How about the emotionally, out of control poster who states I did not refer to a source for my information?
                If he has a more verified information than Pierce Egan's ringside summary of the fight, which was my source,and from which I quoted verbatim, let him post it,and I will publicly defer to it

                I'm betting that he won't.
                I'm betting that instead of posting one single scrap of superior, provenance assured,information,to that I have posted,
                what he will do is post more deranged personal abuse of me,and anyone else who happens to be in the vicinity of his unbalanced tirades,calling them disloyal KUNTS at every opportunity.

                Here is a sample of what we have to look forward to.

                It's ****ing absurd. It's ****ing absurd you kunts refuse to call the **** a ****. Call me your friend for me than a decade and expect me to understand why you sit on the fence while cultural discrimination takes place right in front of you.


                Seems ****ing fair to say I went out of my way to talk about a topic kuntzilla doesn't care about, still made this slut cry without even trying, and get told back some bull**** about how easy it was for the cheater to put away rounds like as if that supports anything counter intuitive to my claim.

                As in, dude, you ****ing serious? What other proof I need you are intellectually dishonest, agenda driven, propagandists, and most of all a racist? Just ****ing short of outright saying it aren't you?

                I think ,"mental health issues," covers the above pretty well.
                All I have done is say the OP's thread is a misrepresentation of the fight and I posted the round by round summary to support my opinion.
                In return I've had a ******* of personal abuse,choice epiphets such as KUNT .KUNTZILLA. DUMBASS. SLUT. F888ING RACIST . etc This absurdly over the top reaction just indicates that the OP is not dealing with a full deck. What I haven't had is a shred of evidence that what I posted is incorrect.

                As to my being anti American/biased against Americans and it's boxers.
                My favourite authors are.Ernest Hemingway,John Steinbeck,Cormac McCarthy,and F Scott Fitzgerald,all American.
                My favourite male singers are ,Frank Sinatra,Tony Bennett,Johnny Mathis, and Nat King Cole,all American
                My favourite female singers are,Sarah Vaughn,Ella Fitzgerald,Barbra Streisand,and Della Reese,all American
                My favourite classical piece is Adagio For strings/Agnus Dei,by Samuel Barber,American.
                My favourite music is The Great American Songbook by composers such as.George Gershwin, Rogers & Hart,
                Cahn & Van Heuson,Harold Arlen,Hoagy Carmichael, and Johnny Mercer.All American
                My favourite boxers are,Jack Dempsey,Muhammad Ali,Joe Louis,and Ray Robinson,all American/
                The challenge is now out there!

                Post a more reliable source of the round by rounds of the Jackson v Mendoza fight that that I have posted or shut up with this eternal bleating,hand wringing,pathetic, " poor me,what have I done to deserve this,disloyalty and lack of respect ,after all I have done for this forum BS"

                PUT UP OR SHUT UP!





                NONE of the above has to do with Mendoza being in the lead after round 3. I posted that. You asked what round did Mendoza win and I said round 3 when he started to land counters and the betting shifted in his favor. You are a selective fool who only reads what he likes.

                I know that Jacskon won and the fight shifted way in his favor after he grabbed Mendoza' hair and hit him with the other hand repeatedly. It was within the rules back then and underhanded. Not done by any other fighter. If you have proof of another fighter doing this, list it.

                The rest of your flotsam and jetsam has to do with replies on other posters making fun of you. You react like a kid being bullied in grammar school. It bothers you still at 70+ years old. It is rather funny, and I bet it did happen to you.​


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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Marchegiano View Post





                  At worst you can say I used too harsh word choice. Bronson's attempt at at clean fight is simply propaganda. Even Jackson's IBHOF induction mentions the dubious nature of his success.

                  Likewise, at worst you can say I speak disrespectfully to youse. Bronson's a racist.


                  TBH, I kinda thought y'all would have time to come up with something clever, but no.


                  Only motivation for attacking this thread is me. Then when I juxtapose his hateful ass it's all of a sudden a facts issue.

                  Here's the thing, no ****ing way Bronson went to any source at all and didn't learn about the nefarious way John Jackson won, but don't let that stop him from crafting some on-the-fly propaganda like as if John Jackson settles the next 100 years of english boxing history.




                  It's ****ing absurd. It's ****ing absurd you kunts refuse to call the **** a ****. Call me your friend for me than a decade and expect me to understand why you sit on the fence while cultural discrimination takes place right in front of you.




                  When I share stories about Greeks do Greek dudes get on there to cry about negative bits?

                  When I share stories about Italian Pugni do Italian get on my ass for being too negative about the negative bits and not gracious enough about the positive?

                  When I talk about American racism are there any Americans offended?

                  Oh but the great late 18th century englishman who won the title through distasteful tactics is def worth going to bat for from the likes of Bronny.




                  Despite, both, a disclaimer telling you bro's I'm just trying to talk about history not Bronson's issue with me every GD damn, and the caveat "I know of no English national tale that didn't also include English being upset by their countrymen being unfair"



                  Seems ****ing fair to say I went out of my way to talk about a topic kuntzilla doesn't care about, still made this slut cry without even trying, and get told back some bull**** about how easy it was for the cheater to put away rounds like as if that supports anything counter intuitive to my claim.

                  As in, dude, you ****ing serious? What other proof I need you are intellectually dishonest, agenda driven, propagandists, and most of all a racist? Just ****ing short of outright saying it aren't you?


                  Hey, ya dumbass dumb *******, remember when you told me Tommy Burns got in the best shape of his life to disprove smaller has higher stamina like as if Tommy Burns losing pounds for more stamina is counter to the claim? Yeah bro, you did doubles on that dumb****ery. John Jackson winning rounds doesn't disprove his cheating ways at all, but it might be evidence of it though. Ya know, if you weren't dumb as **** you would have thunk that through before posting it.




                  The other little ***** crying because Lennox Lewis did a bit of ducking during his career and I hold him to it, I don't have much to say about him because I really don't give a **** about new members or old members who are too bitchass to tell me who they are.






                  At WORST you're saying I should have used gentler words to describe Jackson's ****ery.

                  At BEST you are a ****ing racist harassing me for not being English enough.




                  Eat a **** son, I covered a **** ton. Could cite a book but you ain't read none. When you fire back better use a *******. Dakka



                  You might want to tell him there are books and stuff on the web saying that Burns was yellow looking and sickly. 168 pounds. Like Jackson, he clinched, held and hit his much smaller man.


                  You should stop as soon as you're boarding on elderly abuse with Brosnon / Tony/ Tonot62/ Ivich / ect...and are picking on him. ( He deserves it ). He doesn't keep his cane hand high and lacks defense. I tried to tell him.​


                  Be careful, his father stormed the beach at Normandy! ( movie ?! )

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Dr Z View Post





                    NONE of the above has to do with Mendoza being in the lead after round 3. I posted that. You asked what round did Mendoza win and I said round 3 when he started to land counters and the betting shifted in his favor. You are a selective fool who only reads what he likes.

                    I know that Jacskon won and the fight shifted way in his favor after he grabbed Mendoza' hair and hit him with the other hand repeatedly. It was within the rules back then and underhanded. Not done by any other fighter. If you have proof of another fighter doing this, list it.

                    The rest of your flotsam and jetsam has to do with replies on other posters making fun of you. You react like a kid being bullied in grammar school. It bothers you still at 70+ years old. It is rather funny, and I bet it did happen to you.​

                    Have you got the ringside round by round summary of the fight?
                    YES OR NO?
                    That is what I am quoting!

                    Rd1.Mr Jackson, got within distance ,and quick as lightning floored his opponent with a terrific lefthander . = Jacksons round.

                    Rd 2.Jackson's attack forced Mendoza to go to the floor to protect himself in rd 2.=Jacksons round.

                    ,Rd3".Very little time was lost in this round .They got close together and some heavy hits were exchanged in Jackson's favour and in the end Mendoza was down again."=Jackson's round.
                    "So confident were Mendoza;s friends that even now they laid 2/1 on him."

                    Rd4."This was a magnificent round: both went to scratch with determination,hit after hit was delivered,and returned with great severity,and the punishment was all in favour of Jackson,who finally confident of his own powers,stepped in with coolness,and peppered away at close quarters with such effect as to cut Mendoza's right eyebrow,severely and produce a plentiful supply of the ruby,and to send poor Dan to grass."=Jacksons round.
                    FOUR ROUNDS CONTESTED ALL WON BY JACKSON

                    NOW THE CONTENTIOUS FIFTH ROUND!

                    Rd5. "Mendoza showed unmistakeable tokens of Jackson's handiwork,while Jackson had scarcely a scratch.
                    The latter again went in and ,catching Dan by the thatch of his nut,punched him all over the dial,until Dan fell exhausted.The Israelites were all up in arms at what they thought was an infringement of the rules,and an immediate appeal was made to the umpires,who at once decided that it was perfectly with the rules of fair play,the odds having veered round to 2/1 onJackson."=Jacksons round

                    Rds 6to 8.
                    "Mendoza came up much exhausted in these rounds,and endeavoured to recover his wind by remaining on the defensive,but Jackson treated this system with the same sang froid,he had exhibited,when Mendoza had stood up to him.
                    He went in and easily broke through Dan's guard ,and again,and again ,dealt out severe punishment,almost without a return,and Mendoza was compelled to get down,out of harm's way".Jackson's round.

                    Rd 9 " Mendoza was dreadfully weak,.while Jackson seemed only just warm to his work;he went in and hit away at his man with the greatest ease.
                    Mendoza made one more effort,but ,being nobbed with severity,he fell perfectly,and was compelled to give in."

                    Jackson was little the worse for wear and jumped from the stage with great activity.Poor Dan however was severely beaten"

                    That is the verbatim account of the fight between two brave Englishmen as witnessed by Pierce Egan,the foremost boxing scholar of the era!

                    Now do stop making a further fool of yourself with your ridiculous assertions,you do yourself no favours at all!

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Dr Z View Post




                      You might want to tell him there are books and stuff on the web saying that Burns was yellow looking and sickly. 168 pounds. Like Jackson, he clinched, held and hit his much smaller man.


                      You should stop as soon as you're boarding on elderly abuse with Brosnon / Tony/ Tonot62/ Ivich / ect...and are picking on him. ( He deserves it ). He doesn't keep his cane hand high and lacks defense. I tried to tell him.​


                      Be careful, his father stormed the beach at Normandy! ( movie ?! )
                      You should stop until you can formulate a sentence that makes any kind of sense and is spelt correctly.
                      My Father did not storm the beach at Normandy he was in the 8th Army, "The Desert ****"and saw action at El Alamein x2, Mersa Matruh,Tobruk, and Monte Casino etc, he earned campaign medals such as the India Star,the Italian Star, the African Star,Egyptian Star and was also in Tunisia,Libya ,and Sicily, and several others,no big deal , he was one of many ,many and he was in the war for 6 years ,not the 4 years some of our allies were.

                      Best to leave posters relatives out of debates.

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