Which Boxer Had The Best and Worst Wife, Girlfriend (looks and influence)

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  • BKM-
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    #51
    Originally posted by Tatabanya

    The conclusion of Undisputed Truth is quite revealing of Tyson's state of mind about twelve years ago, when he was still an addict.
    I believe he's improved from then, but this chunk tells a lot about his consideration of himself and his past.

    That was the way I intended to end the book. Kiki and I all misty-eyed, reading the love letters of
    great people in bed – my darkness gone, my spirit soaring from the inspirational words of our giants
    of history. But you have to live life on life’s terms, as I’ve said in the book. And I couldn’t live with
    myself if I lied and tried to cover up what happened in the last few months.
    Maybe part of it was searching my soul and digging into the darkest corners of my psyche to
    honestly answer questions about my life. It also could have been the pressure of going back
    into the world of boxing and entering the ring once again, this time as a promoter and nurturer of
    young boxing talent. Of course, my chronic negative self-image doesn’t need much ammunition to act
    out and sabotage whatever joy and happiness comes into my life.
    But it happened and I have to tell you about it. About a month or so after I completed work on the
    book, in April of 2013, I had a slip, my first one since January of 2010. I went out one night and I had
    a drink. And then another. And another. I told you I’m a bad, bad drunk so I smoked some pot to make
    me mellow again. I felt horrible when I came back to Kiki and the kids that night. But not terrible
    enough to stop me from repeating my slip a few more times in June and July of this year. And then in
    August, a week before my first Iron Mike fight promotion, which was broadcast on ESPN, I fell off
    the wagon again.
    Look, I’m a vicious addict and if I don’t follow my steps, I’m going to die. So I started going to
    A.A. meetings again. One of the most important steps is to make amends. So right before the first fight
    on my first card as a promoter I walked over to Teddy Atlas, my old trainer, who was doing the color
    commentary for ESPN. I extended my hand and I apologized to him for my part in what happened
    back there in Catskill in the ’80s. I hadn’t talked to Teddy for almost twenty years. It felt good to
    make amends. I guess that gesture meant a lot to people because that was the first thing they wanted to
    talk about both during the fights and in the interview I did between fights.
    I was already dealing with a lot of emotions of guilt and shame for my recent relapses so seeingTeddy and
    making amends to him seemed to put me over the top. I realized that I couldn’t just keep on
    lying and pretending that I was still clean; that I hadn’t had some drinks or smoked some pot. So when
    someone at the postfight press conference asked me what it was like seeing Teddy again, I had to
    unburden myself.
    “I knew that there was a possibility that I would be here with Teddy and I didn’t have a good
    thought in mind about that at first, because I’m negative and I’m dark. And I wanna do bad stuff. I
    wanna hang out in this neighborhood alone [I pointed to my head], that’s dangerous to hang out in this
    neighborhood alone up here, right? It wants to kill everything. It wants to kill me too. So I went to my
    A.A. meeting and I explained to my fellow alcoholics and junkies that I was gonna deal with this
    certain situation here, and I explained the feelings that I evoked from it. Almost like, um, something
    like a Hatfields and McCoys, I kind of explained to them. I made the right decision. I made Cus proud
    of me. I made myself proud of me.
    “I hate myself. I’m trying to kill myself. I hate myself a lot, but I made myself proud of myself, and I
    don’t do that much. I was happy I did that. Maybe it was overwhelming to Teddy and he didn’t get it
    yet. But he has to know this is sincere. I don’t wanna fight you no more. I was wrong. I’m sorry. I was
    wrong. I just wanted to make my amends. If he accepted it or not, at least I could die and go to my
    grave and say I made my amends with everybody I hurt. It’s all about love and forgiveness, and in
    order for those guys to forgive me – other guys – you know, I want people to forgive the things I’ve
    done.
    “I’m a motherfùcker. I did a lot of bad things, and I want to be forgiven. So in order for me to be
    forgiven, I hope they can forgive me. I wanna change my life; I wanna live a different life now. I
    wanna live my sober life. I don’t wanna die. I’m on the verge of dying, because I’m a vicious
    alcoholic. Wow. God, this is some interesting stuff.”
    I choked up. And then I confessed.
    “I haven’t drank or took drugs in six days, and for me that’s a miracle. I’ve been lying to everybody
    else that thinks I was sober. I’m not. This is my sixth day. I’m never gonna use again.”
    The press in the audience gave me a standing ovation but that meant nothing to me. No one gives
    you standing ovations when you share in the rooms.
    That was on August twenty-third. I’ve added a few days to my total as I’m writing this now. I hope
    that I can keep clean and add more and more days and get more and more chips. I guess I was
    arrogant thinking that I could beat this thing without the help of my support team and my A.A. family,
    who belong to the only club that accepts people like me as members. I don’t want to die. I want to
    continue my boxing career as a promoter. I want to do my one-man show again. I want to do more
    movies.
    After my recent relapse I was no fun to be around. Kiki and I were having a lot of rough times.
    Part of me was even trying to blame the pressures of being married as the reason for my relapse.
    Then the galleys for the book came. In going over the book with Kiki I had a spiritual rebirth. When we got to
    the section about Exodus it was very difficult to get through. We both cried our eyes out. And I
    realized in that very moment why I was married to Kiki. I suddenly knew the answer to the question
    “Why would a guy like me be married?” I realized that our marriage was more than the union of Kiki
    and me. I had to be married to Kiki to fulfill Exodus’s legacy. My marriage will allow me to do that
    and to bolster my ability to be a good father. I’m a better person now because Exodus was in my life
    and I vow to continue to be a better person now that she’s gone. I truly want to deepen my
    relationship with Kiki and see my kids grow up to be healthy and happy. But I can’t do any of those
    things if I don’t have control over myself. I can’t help anyone if I’m not well myself, and I desperately
    want to get well. I have a lot of pain and I just want to heal. And I’m going to do my best to do just
    that. One day at a time.​​
    As others have stated, this was not written by him. That's why it doesn't sound like him but what I will pick out is the obvious: The Teddy Atlas incident. He apologizes for his part in that incident.

    In other words he believes a mutual mistake was made there even though there is only one child m0lester in this incident. So he's not owning up to it, it's still half assed.

    That is what I meant earlier. It might sound like he's not playing the victim about something, but there's still some wording that betrays his true thoughts.
    Last edited by BKM-; 05-05-2025, 04:27 AM.

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    • BKM-
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      #52
      Originally posted by Mr Mitts

      How about you STFU with your nonsense, halfwit. Yeah, we know, he hit her as hard as he could with those lethal fists, you ******ed *****. If he hit her at all it was very lightly mainly to scare. So let me tell you again STFUP with your inbred idiocy, pal. You are getting tiresome
      I will tire you out with this stuff untill your already half functioning brain ceases to function(This won't be a hard task, that I can tell you). That way I tell the truth and rid society of you, killing two birds with one stone. I won't use pigeons though out of respect for Mike.

      There are two types of Tyson fans. The creature who fully denies all of his wrong doings, glorifies everything he does while blaming everyone but him for his troubles. And then there is the more sensible one who has his heart in the right place but gets manipulated by Tyson's woo-is-me shtick. It's safe to say this drooling imbecile doesn't fall into the latter category, but I am in fact dealing with both types in this thread.

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      • Tatabanya
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        #53
        Originally posted by BKM-
        And then there is the more sensible one who has his heart in the right place but gets manipulated by Tyson's woo-is-me shtick. It's safe to say this drooling imbecile doesn't fall into the latter category, but I am in fact dealing with both types in this thread.
        Tell me more about manipulation. Meanwhile, another piece for your reading pleasure: the neuropsychological evaluation of Tyson after the ear bite incident. More food for your enlightened thought.

        https://a.espncdn.com/boxing/s/1998/1013/23631.html

        I'm amazed that you're not aware about 99% of celebrity autobiographies being aided by a ghost writer, who puts into "serious" writing the results of a series of interviews. Do you think that I had imagined Tyson writing his poetic sentences in a candlelight setting, with a quill and ink?

        Re: Atlas. What is clearer than "I'm sorry, I was wrong"?
        Last edited by Tatabanya; 05-05-2025, 07:55 AM.

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        • Willie Pep 229
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          #54
          Originally posted by Tatabanya

          Tell me more about manipulation. Meanwhile, another piece for your reading pleasure: the neuropsychological evaluation of Tyson after the ear bite incident. More food for your enlightened thought.

          https://a.espncdn.com/boxing/s/1998/1013/23631.html

          I'm amazed that you're not aware about 99% of celebrity autobiographies being aided by a ghost writer, who puts into "serious" writing the results of a series of interviews. Do you think that I had imagined Tyson writing his poetic sentences in a candlelight setting, with a quill and ink?

          Re: Atlas. What is clearer than "I'm sorry, I was wrong"?
          Doctor: Are you a psychopath?

          Tyson: No doc, but I do play one in real life.

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          • Tatabanya
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            #55
            Originally posted by Willie Pep 229

            Doctor: Are you a psychopath?

            Tyson: No doc, but I do play one in real life.
            Ha.

            Many times I seriously asked myself if I, or other people for that matter, could have done better than Tyson, in the same kind of environment. And I seriously doubt it.

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            • BKM-
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              #56
              Originally posted by Tatabanya

              Tell me more about manipulation. Meanwhile, another piece for your reading pleasure: the neuropsychological evaluation of Tyson after the ear bite incident. More food for your enlightened thought.

              https://a.espncdn.com/boxing/s/1998/1013/23631.html

              I'm amazed that you're not aware about 99% of celebrity autobiographies being aided by a ghost writer, who puts into "serious" writing the results of a series of interviews. Do you think that I had imagined Tyson writing his poetic sentences in a candlelight setting, with a quill and ink?

              Re: Atlas. What is clearer than "I'm sorry, I was wrong"?
              All due respect, that link is quite a block of text and I quit reading at this part:
              He denied a significant alcohol or other drug history.
              It already starts out with a lie. So you're gonna have to convince me that it's worth reading.

              I'm amazed that you're not aware about 99% of celebrity autobiographies being aided by a ghost writer, who puts into "serious" writing the results of a series of interviews. Do you think that I had imagined Tyson writing his poetic sentences in a candlelight setting, with a quill and ink?

              Re: Atlas. What is clearer than "I'm sorry, I was wrong"?​
              I did not ask you for an autobiography precisely for that reason.

              If you have any other interview where he blames nobody but himself for his long list of actions I'm willing to read it. And yes, that includes not 'sharing' half the blame for "his part".
              Last edited by BKM-; 05-05-2025, 09:54 AM.

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              • QueensburyRules
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                #57
                Originally posted by BKM-

                As others have stated, this was not written by him. That's why it doesn't sound like him but what I will pick out is the obvious: The Teddy Atlas incident. He apologizes for his part in that incident.

                In other words he believes a mutual mistake was made there even though there is only one child m0lester in this incident. So he's not owning up to it, it's still half assed.

                That is what I meant earlier. It might sound like he's not playing the victim about something, but there's still some wording that betrays his true thoughts.
                - - Looney Teddy was the adult assigned to help the physical training aspect. Tyson was an underage teen, what 16 when Teddy brought his young niece, daughter, or whatever to visit. Tyson was a strong, good looking kid and the girl obviously attracted. So big brave boxing expert put a loaded revolver to Tyson's young Noggin...also pulled out a revolver to go looking for Donny LaLonde...

                Any bio on Tyson is garbage because of his mental state during his break down post HOFers Cus and Jimmy.

                Enter Don King who'd make mush of Teddy with no need for a revolver and made Tyson into King's personal Bank Account.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by QueensburyRules

                  - - Looney Teddy was the adult assigned to help the physical training aspect. Tyson was an underage teen, what 16 when Teddy brought his young niece, daughter, or whatever to visit. Tyson was a strong, good looking kid and the girl obviously attracted. So big brave boxing expert put a loaded revolver to Tyson's young Noggin...also pulled out a revolver to go looking for Donny LaLonde...

                  Any bio on Tyson is garbage because of his mental state during his break down post HOFers Cus and Jimmy.

                  Enter Don King who'd make mush of Teddy with no need for a revolver and made Tyson into King's personal Bank Account.
                  I know you're pulling my chain but let me just put it out there in case anyone tries to lessen the severity. Teddy's niece was 11, Tyson was 15 and looked 20+ as he sexually assaulted her. She wasn't attracted to him, she was a small child terrified which explains Teddy's justified anger. And he knew what he was throwing away, a career as head coach for a long time HW champ. But he did what's right like a man.

                  A lesser man would have pulled the trigger. Maybe Desiree and Bill Cosby's daughter and others would have been spared their ordeals.

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                  • QueensburyRules
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by BKM-

                    I know you're pulling my chain but let me just put it out there in case anyone tries to lessen the severity. Teddy's niece was 11, Tyson was 15 and looked 20+ as he ***ually assaulted her. She wasn't attracted to him, she was a small child terrified which explains Teddy's justified anger. And he knew what he was throwing away, a career as head coach for a long time HW champ. But he did what's right like a man.

                    A lesser man would have pulled the trigger. Maybe Desiree and Bill Cosby's daughter and others would have been spared their ordeals.
                    - - 11 yr old grrls the first grrls 6 yr old me was interested in when falling in love with my 6 yr old buddy's sister who was beautifully developed au natural.

                    Tyson was juvenile delinquent in Cus reformation. Teddy an excon with dangerous h0m0cidal tendencies. That's why Cus fired him pronto...yeah

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                      #60
                      More photos, less childish insults please.

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