Who Here Is A Top 10 ATG Heavyweight And Who Is Not?

[Bronson66]

how does Liston get credit for beating Valdez in the second last bout of Valdez career. he's lost 10 times in 5 years and retires one fight later. Not a very good win at all. Nothing great about it. You think Marciano can't beat this version of the overated Valdez? a man Moore beat in his prime? This is what I mean by double standard.

It's all because Marciano is small and Italian. This is the only reason and it's a casual reason.

Why is Valdez allowed to lose to a 180 lbs Moore (yes 180 lbs) vs Valdez 209 lbs

Marciano who weighs 185 lbs on Average fights "small guys"

Valdes was ranked no2
DeJohn no 8
Bethea no8
Harris no7
Folley no1
Machen no5
Patterson Champ
Patterson no1
Walcott retired immediately after losing to Marciano
Louis retired immediately after losing to Marciano
So did
Haft
Eatman
Buonovino
Louthis
Evans
Epperson
Edwards
Savold
Jackson

Bilazarian
Dominic
Hardeman

Retired after 1 fight more.

[Dr Z]

Louis
Foreman
Lewis
Liston
Dempsey

All these guy's are not ?

Read the question. DUH.

I am sure there will be sharp disagreement. Who on this particular list is not an ATG top 10 heavyweight, If any? Ali was left off as too evident.

[them_apples]

Valdes was ranked no2
DeJohn no 8
Bethea no8
Harris no7
Folley no1
Machen no5
Patterson Champ
Patterson no1
Walcott retired immediately after losing to Marciano
Louis retired immediately after losing to Marciano
So did
Haft
Eatman
Buonovino
Louthis
Evans
Epperson
Edwards
Savold
Jackson

Bilazarian
Dominic
Hardeman

Retired after 1 fight more.

They retired cause Marciano was ****ing them up so bad. Great list

valdez retired cause he was shot, look at his resume leading up to the liston match

[Bronson66]

They retired cause Marciano was ****ing them up so bad. Great list

valdez retired cause he was shot, look at his resume leading up to the liston match

So none of them were past it,or never more than 4th raters to start with?

Valdes was ranked no 2

[Marchegiano]

Tunney.

Don't know Marciano came into question with a list that has Tunney ... his resume beginning and ending with Dempsey is simply too short to son anyone over a Martin caliber champion. I'll slot Tunney over a single strapper who never made a defense and that's it.

p4p or LHW, okay, I get it. But calling Tunney an ATG HW for Dempsey is like calling him an ATG MW for Greb. It's silly at best... them my kind words for how I feel about it.

[The D3vil]

Lewis
Liston
Holmes
Foreman
Louis

Maybe Marciano???

[Mr Mitts]

Sonny Liston

might have been a good fighter but just like Tyson he failed just about every test presented to him and gets every excuse in the book as to why

his best win is over Patterson or Folley - and Ali beat the brakes off of him immediately after he beat Patterson. Then he first round Koed him in the rematch. Then Liston made a comeback and got knocked out by Journeymen.

thats not an all time great

As you already mentioned historically great fighters go through periods of vogue and neglect. Gives writers something in after time to resurrect. Liston might be an example. Are people looking at how great he was or at how great they think he could have been with that body and those tools with a little better timing and circumstance and just a nudge here and there. That is something we have to decide for themselves. He beat the guys early, but who were they? They didn't even give him a good test, which is a test in itself.

We also do that with the great Foreman. When was he great though? The young George all aggression and no sense, or the older George more wise and methodical. Because you can't have them both at the same time--they never existed at one time with all of that in the same package.

I think we all do something like that with every fighter to some extent.

[Mr Mitts]

Louis
Foreman
Lewis
Liston
Holmes

Are not?

[IronDanHamza]

Are not?

Are ATG's.

[Anomalocaris]

Dempsey.

Impressive againt a huge, slow, unskilled and lumbering Willard and then his title reign was a joke. Don't fall for the Nat Fleischer/Bert Sugar bull**** and their nostalgic longing for the Roaring '20s (rife with poverty, disease and death).

Tunney.

An ATG light-heavy who lost to middle Greb.

Marciano.

49-0 is incredibly deceptive, struggled life and death with old light-heavies and took nine rounds to KO light-heavy C*ckell (who IIRC had glandular problems).