Marciano throws 116 punches in round 8 against Don ****ell

[Marchegiano]

You probably won't believe me but I thought of this while writing the post but didn't include it. I wrote so much yesterday! I also truly divined in my fantasy that you would be the one to respond to exactly the portion that you have.

No, you are right--I cannot stand behind "empty statistic," in unqualified form. So let me rephrase right now. Though some ancillary damage is caused through missing punches, it is far less than the damage intended and drains the thrower too, who may only impart minimal damage for great effort, since everyone knows missed punches in particular are energy hogs. I don't mind being corrected. I like it.

But what about you Mar? I haven't heard you concede there are limits to, "Size doesn't matter?" Maybe you have but I missed it. I couldn't really believe you are a purist on the issue, like believing every single word of the Bible is truth from God, without hearing it from yourself.

I believe you. I do that all the time bro.





I don't think I'm really part of that debate. Or to say that differently, the only reason I might seem like a size doesn't matter type is because I find myself correcting folks who say it does.



I can make my stance very simple for you.

Smaller means more stamina

Larger means more power



These are human limitations that deal with metabolic rate

There is no maybe a 160 has more stamina than a 260, it is a does. Just like how there is no maybe a 260 has more power than a 160.

What I see is plenty of folks who will not argue against the idea a 260 has more power than a 160 being more than willing to argue about the idea that a 160 has more stamina than a 260.

That has to be corrected but that doesn't mean I think size is a non-issue. If anything I am a size matters but dislike my other size matterers because they shut their brains off and refuse to recognize weight and rules has favoritism. Take away the rules and the favoritism goes away, makes the weight divisions pointless.

Ancient history

The entire medieval period

The majority of LPRR

and even the early days of QB all feature laxer rules on time and weight, they all also feature lighter men.



What is funny is folks want to tell me, the resident medical professional, the reason HWs are larger now is because of science ... ... ... ... the same science your ass is denying when you say small men can not compete against larger men. The very same science. The same field that tells you small men have a stamina advantage is what you're citing to tell me why the average HW is so much larger.

It's like they want me to believe in magic foods that make big men bigger and stronger but do not fuel small men for longer. Same ****ing science jabronis.


So I end up in these debates, usually with McVey, where I am being asked to prove a medical issue using boxing terms.



Truth is most of the boxing talk I do on this subject is besides the point and I only entertain it because when I post non-boxing evidence no one cares. I'm being asked to prove metabolism through boxing history in boxing terms.

[Bronson66]

I believe you. I do that all the time bro.





I don't think I'm really part of that debate. Or to say that differently, the only reason I might seem like a size doesn't matter type is because I find myself correcting folks who say it does.



I can make my stance very simple for you.

Smaller means more stamina

Larger means more power



These are human limitations that deal with metabolic rate

There is no maybe a 160 has more stamina than a 260, it is a does. Just like how there is no maybe a 260 has more power than a 160.

What I see is plenty of folks who will not argue against the idea a 260 has more power than a 160 being more than willing to argue about the idea that a 160 has more stamina than a 260.

That has to be corrected but that doesn't mean I think size is a non-issue. If anything I am a size matters but dislike my other size matterers because they shut their brains off and refuse to recognize weight and rules has favoritism. Take away the rules and the favoritism goes away, makes the weight divisions pointless.

Ancient history

The entire medieval period

The majority of LPRR

and even the early days of QB all feature laxer rules on time and weight, they all also feature lighter men.



What is funny is folks want to tell me, the resident medical professional, the reason HWs are larger now is because of science ... ... ... ... the same science your ass is denying when you say small men can not compete against larger men. The very same science. The same field that tells you small men have a stamina advantage is what you're citing to tell me why the average HW is so much larger.

It's like they want me to believe in magic foods that make big men bigger and stronger but do not fuel small men for longer. Same ****ing science jabronis.


So I end up in these debates, usually with McVey, where I am being asked to prove a medical issue using boxing terms.



Truth is most of the boxing talk I do on this subject is besides the point and I only entertain it because when I post non-boxing evidence no one cares. I'm being asked to prove metabolism through boxing history in boxing terms.

Stamina? How come fat Arreola has the record for punches thrown in a fight? What medical qualifications do you have?

[Marchegiano]

Stamina? How come fat Arreola has the record for punches thrown in a fight? What medical qualifications do you have?

I take no pleasure in this, but, you are being lazy and not giving anything the time it deserves so:

Chris vs Adam = 2172 thrown

Soto Karass vs. Macias = 3,353 thrown

https://www.boxingscene.com/soto-karass-vs-macias-compubox-record-breaking-punch-stats--133557

https://www.boxingscene.com/kownacki-arreola-compubox-record-breaking-punch-stats--141440

Because he doesn't. He holds the HW record. More than a thousand punches shy of the WWs who hold the boxing record.



I used to do this sort of " I am a prosthetist so believe me when I say" sort of posts but all I would get is "I don't care" or "quit bragging" so I stopped mentioning it. That's my bad for assuming you knew anything about that time on BoxingScene. The having been interacting on two websites deal does mess with my memory sometimes. I feel like you've known me a long time but you were just over ESB back then. Fair enough, my fault.

If you're interested and want me to talk about it. Yes, prosthetics, inventor, like a dozen documentaries about me. If you want to know more I'd be happy to share, I just don't want to type out a whole bunch of stuff you're not interested in. I'm already me heavy in this post, took care of the boxing straight away and wrote two paragraphs on myself that note folks take me talking about my credentials as bragging and started questioning what I should and shouldn't say.

[Bronson66]

I take no pleasure in this, but, you are being lazy and not giving anything the time it deserves so:

Chris vs Adam = 2172 thrown

Soto Karass vs. Macias = 3,353 thrown

https://www.boxingscene.com/soto-karass-vs-macias-compubox-record-breaking-punch-stats--133557

https://www.boxingscene.com/kownacki-arreola-compubox-record-breaking-punch-stats--141440

Because he doesn't. He holds the HW record. More than a thousand punches shy of the WWs who hold the boxing record.



I used to do this sort of " I am a prosthetist so believe me when I say" sort of posts but all I would get is "I don't care" or "quit bragging" so I stopped mentioning it. That's my bad for assuming you knew anything about that time on BoxingScene. The having been interacting on two websites deal does mess with my memory sometimes. I feel like you've known me a long time but you were just over ESB back then. Fair enough, my fault.

If you're interested and want me to talk about it. Yes, prosthetics, inventor, like a dozen documentaries about me. If you want to know more I'd be happy to share, I just don't want to type out a whole bunch of stuff you're not interested in. I'm already me heavy in this post, took care of the boxing straight away and wrote two paragraphs on myself that note folks take me talking about my credentials as bragging and started questioning what I should and shouldn't say.

I neglected to add ,"at heavyweight,"my error,but the point stands Arreola is an obese fighter who was fighting an obese fighter so their stamina should not have allowed them to achieve such stats.
Your qualification is admirable ,but I don't see how it would give you any advantage over those without it when analysing two fighters?
You mention a couple of pounds as being significant,have you ever had to make weight,or fought in the ring?
Have you any idea how drastically dehydrating for even a short period can affect one's weight?

[Marchegiano]

I neglected to add ,"at heavyweight,"my error,but the point stands Arreola is an obese fighter who was fighting an obese fighter so their stamina should not have allowed them to achieve such stats.
Your qualification is admirable ,but I don't see how it would give you any advantage over those without it when analysing two fighters?
You mention a couple of pounds as being significant,have you ever had to make weight,or fought in the ring?
Have you any idea how drastically dehydrating for even a short period can affect one's weight?

Who told you fat people can't have stamina?

This whole debate is by weight not shape. I didn't say a not fat 160 has more stamina than a not fat 260. I said any 160 over any 260. Just like how a fat 260 still has power over a muscular 160, a fat 160 still has stamina over a trim 260.

I didn't say my credentials help me analyze a fight or fighters, that is what I whined to Mitts about. I am being asked to explain metabolism in boxing terms. If anything it is a deficit. I don't know the terms, rules, consensuses, etc among boxing fans I know the terms, rules, consensuses among white coats and do my best to put those in boxing terms for boxing fans.

It wasn't me who turned my stating sometimes smaller men actually gained weight to fight smaller men into a significant portion of my stance. that was you and your focus of Fitzsimmons. I thought my time argument was the controversial bit and the gaining weight to fight lighter guys was well known and not anything anyone would make a big deal out of but here we are making a big deal out of what is matter of fact.


As to the last one, yes, tons and tons of factors get cut through when you focus on a single fighter and a supporting point. At no point in any of this have I had the chance to speak to lower weight class power puncher or higher weight class stamina drainers. Or even get to focus too much on how time favors larger men and if the time limits were increased the WWs would be sonned by the SWs like how the HWs gets sonned by WWs. Trust me, heaps of ****ing details like dehydration. How can I ever get there when I got a guy who refuses to accept simple truths found all over boxrec and holds up the conversation until I fumble through that easy research for them and copy/paste it at them?

I'd get there if the conversation went that way but it never did.

[Mr Mitts]

I believe you. I do that all the time bro.





I don't think I'm really part of that debate. Or to say that differently, the only reason I might seem like a size doesn't matter type is because I find myself correcting folks who say it does.



I can make my stance very simple for you.

Smaller means more stamina

Larger means more power



These are human limitations that deal with metabolic rate

There is no maybe a 160 has more stamina than a 260, it is a does. Just like how there is no maybe a 260 has more power than a 160.

What I see is plenty of folks who will not argue against the idea a 260 has more power than a 160 being more than willing to argue about the idea that a 160 has more stamina than a 260.

That has to be corrected but that doesn't mean I think size is a non-issue. If anything I am a size matters but dislike my other size matterers because they shut their brains off and refuse to recognize weight and rules has favoritism. Take away the rules and the favoritism goes away, makes the weight divisions pointless.

Ancient history

The entire medieval period

The majority of LPRR

and even the early days of QB all feature laxer rules on time and weight, they all also feature lighter men.



What is funny is folks want to tell me, the resident medical professional, the reason HWs are larger now is because of science ... ... ... ... the same science your ass is denying when you say small men can not compete against larger men. The very same science. The same field that tells you small men have a stamina advantage is what you're citing to tell me why the average HW is so much larger.

It's like they want me to believe in magic foods that make big men bigger and stronger but do not fuel small men for longer. Same ****ing science jabronis.


So I end up in these debates, usually with McVey, where I am being asked to prove a medical issue using boxing terms.



Truth is most of the boxing talk I do on this subject is besides the point and I only entertain it because when I post non-boxing evidence no one cares. I'm being asked to prove metabolism through boxing history in boxing terms.

Quite circumspect. But I am very impressed. You think a good heavyweight might beat a good middleweight. How about something where the weight disparity is a little less than your preferred 100 pounds though?

[Dr Z]

Swinging and missing takes more energy out of the man missing, than the man who has avoided the punch,that's just commonsense!

This is true. But you miss on posts often. Yet you continue on 24 x 7. You must have great stamina too.

[Bronson66]

This is true. But you miss on posts often. Yet you continue on 24 x 7. You must have great stamina too.

Having retired at 56 ,20 years ago I have all the time in the world to indulge my hobbies.

[Mr Mitts]

Swinging and missing takes more energy out of the man missing, than the man who has avoided the punch,that's just commonsense!

Yes, I always knew that but I was being generous by only pointing out they both lose energy.

[Dr Z]

Having retired at 56 ,20 years ago I have all the time in the world to indulge my hobbies.

A 56? You have boxing, freemasonry, and politcs. I do not know which you are most active in. They keep you busy! This beats hunting and blowing off the head of rabbits, which you do as well.