AJ's Place In History

[Willie Pep 229]

How could he be a cruiser if he's been a 13 year heavyweight? Make it make sense!! So now you're saying he WAS a cruiserweight and in fact not a 13 year heavyweight, is that it?

Will it bother you if they do put the division in and Holyfield ranks higher?

I am not sure where this argument is at . . .

But IMHO forget the scantioning bodies and just look at Uysk's fight weights.

Any fight where he or his opponent weighted over 200 should be considered as a HW go.

[JAB5239]

I am not sure where this argument is at . . .

But IMHO forget the scantioning bodies and just look at Uysk's fight weights.

Any fight where he or his opponent weighted over 200 should be considered as a HW go.

And I agree, as at the time that was the Cruiserweight limit. But let's not pretend as Queenie does that a 190lb Cruiserweight limit never existed, therefore making Usyk a heavyweight. A '12 year heavyweight ' as he put it. I have nothing but respect and admiration for Usyk, but his resume at heavyweight is limited. I find it preposterous anyone would claim him over a heavyweight of bygone era's because of the current weight clauses. He won't explain his reasoning, but I will always back mine.

[Mr Mitts]

- - Sorry, but AJ for all his flaws brought boxing back from the deathbed of PED use and cowardice of Blubber, unified the Titles, and then gave the Great Champion Wlad an opportunity to win back his titles illicitly won by Blubber in a fantastic slugfest.

Consecutive sell outs @Wembley while gutting the heavyweight stable of Haymon, and made a rare fortune doing it. HOF beckons...

As a new member, I have nothing but respect for you, but you are certainly wrong about Joshua. No one has had more big chances to show their wares than him, yet he fails time and again. Time to put him away in a shoe box of bad memories.

[Willie Pep 229]

I think AJ got screwed by the expectations game.

A body beautiful giant with skills. He was expected to, and did early, dominate.

In the end he went 24 hard rounds with the current champion; had one bad night that he avenged; and now at the end of his career was stopped by the guy most consider the second best fighter in the game.

I'd say great is an appropriate moniker. He just wasn't expected to be human.

His legacy is suffering because of expectations; he is certainly not a bad memory.

[BKM-]

He was ok. Boxing fans can't be picky, you should appriciate a HW like this who can bring fights to the mainstream. He drew big and often delivered big knockouts.

Yes he failed in a lot of ways but not every boxer is supposed to become this all time great and has to be rated by this whole system we always put them through.

[cfang]

The Dubois loss will affect his place in history but not too much. He sits in between the all time greats and the champs who won the title or a portion of the title. He has done good wins against solid fighters but also the Ruiz and Dubois losses. All time heavy he’s probably in the 18-30 area. I mean he’s better than tubbs, page, Thomas, hide, bent, Morrison, Douglas etc. he’s no one hit wonder, but he’s well away from the top guys. He’s the 3rd best of his era I’d say behind usyk and fury. His record is still better than wilders.

he could well have lost to many previous good heavys but his record puts him ahead of the vast majority. He’s just not been the best of his era. He’s a step below that.

[QueensburyRules]

And I agree, as at the time that was the Cruiserweight limit. But let's not pretend as Queenie does that a 190lb Cruiserweight limit never existed, therefore making Usyk a heavyweight. A '12 year heavyweight ' as he put it. I have nothing but respect and admiration for Usyk, but his resume at heavyweight is limited. I find it preposterous anyone would claim him over a heavyweight of bygone era's because of the current weight clauses. He won't explain his reasoning, but I will always back mine.

Usyk turned pro significantly bigger and fought more rated fighters and Champions.

Never got rushed to ICU AFTER GETTING BEAT UP BY A TUBBY SQUAT FIGHTER, Qawi whom MSpinks easily schooled.

[JAB5239]

Usyk turned pro significantly bigger and fought more rated fighters and Champions.

Never got rushed to ICU AFTER GETTING BEAT UP BY A TUBBY SQUAT FIGHTER, Qawi whom MSpinks easily schooled.

Turning pro significantly bigger doesn't change the FACT he fought at Cruiserweight and is not a 12 year heavyweight as you falsely claim.

[Tatabanya]

Qawi whom MSpinks easily schooled.

Well, not so easily. It was close. Moreover, Qawi had pneumonia shortly before the fight, and the doctors told him not to proceed, but he still gave Spinks various kinds of trouble. A rematch was planned, but it never happened.

In fairness, Spinks had experienced the loss of his partner two months before the fight, so he probably wasn't at his best psychologically speaking.

Qawi was one of my three favorite fighters ever. I was very disappointed when he lost to Spinks. I was convinced he would steamroll Michael, but I was just a kid then...

[QueensburyRules]

Turning pro significantly bigger doesn't change the FACT he fought at Cruiserweight and is not a 12 year heavyweight as you falsely claim.

- - Average ring weights of his opponents significantly bigger than most heavy champs in history is all I need to know. U no nothing but U doodoo know your Mickey Finns