The best heavyweight world title holders who never wore the real championship.

[QueensburyRules]

All this is very shady. Johnson fought and defended the heavyweight championship in France the day before Langford-Jeannette. At the end of the day it doesn't make a lick of difference as the rest of the world still recognized Johnson as the champion. He went on to defend the title, a recognized world heavyweight championship fight in June 1914. Johnson remained heavyweight champion until the Willard fight in Havana. If the Langford-Jeannette fight was for the TRUE heavyweight championship Sam's name would be in the history books. I'd say the French commission was a bit wishy washy considering the also stripped Langford shortly afterwards.

- - If U wasn't such a bad combo of dumb and dumpty, U might be in the history books...TRUE...

[Willow The Wisp]

I'm just going to throw this up, for no good reason at all.....
The best heavyweight world title holders who never wore the real championship.

1. Harry Wills
2. Anthony Joshua
3. Deontay Wilder
4. Sam Langford
5. Ken Norton
6. Vitali Klitschko
7. Luther McCarty
8. Jimmy Ellis
9. Peter Jackson
10.Joe Jeanette
11.George "The Leiperville Shadow" Godfrey
12.Sam McVey
13.Ernie Terrell
14.Tim Witherspoon
15.Jimmy Bivins
16.Andy Ruiz Jr
17.Joseph Parker
18.Mike Weaver
19.Tommy Morrison
20.Ed "Gunboat" Smith
21.Daniel Dubois
22.Peter Maher
23.Gerrie Coetzee
24.Obie Walker
25.Frank Bruno

[QueensburyRules]

I'm just going to throw this up, for no good reason at all.....
The best heavyweight world title holders who never wore the real championship.

1. Harry Wills
2. Anthony Joshua
3. Deontay Wilder
4. Sam Langford
5. Ken Norton
6. Vitali Klitschko
7. Luther McCarty
8. Jimmy Ellis
9. Peter Jackson
10.Joe Jeanette
11.George "The Leiperville Shadow" Godfrey
12.Sam McVey
13.Ernie Terrell
14.Tim Witherspoon
15.Jimmy Bivins
16.Andy Ruiz Jr
17.Joseph Parker
18.Mike Weaver
19.Tommy Morrison
20.Ed "Gunboat" Smith
21.Daniel Dubois
22.Peter Maher
23.Gerrie Coetzee
24.Obie Walker
25.Frank Bruno

- - Seems U deliberately missed Tubby Lar who was still skinny then scraping a .0012 victory over Ken who also never beat a title holder although most thought he whooped Alix3. Ken was a star now too big for DKing to handle, so he orchestrated Tubby Lar who was still skinny then and recovering in the hospital after the fight the illicit, thus no FOY lucrative rematch.

AJ won titles won in the ring after Blubber defaulted his ill begotten titles when he should've been serving a drug suspension. AJ won titles off champs who actually won their titles in the Ring. What size BarneyBigBoys was in then?

[Willie Pep 229]

Larry Holmes never unified & was never the lineal champ

I think Larry Holmes was considered the "lineal" champion. It just wasn't "linear."

But then again the "linear" chain of champions stopped with either Jeffries, if you accept Burns, or with Tunney if you don't accept Burns.

But the word "lineal" in definition allows for both, interruptions in, and reestablishment of, the linear line.

Thus we use the term lineal.

So by recognition alone I think Holmes met the lineal criteria at some point.

[JAB5239]

I think Larry Holmes was considered the "lineal" champion. It just wasn't "linear."

But then again the "linear" chain of champions stopped with either Jeffries, if you accept Burns, or with Tunney if you don't accept Burns.

But the word "lineal" in definition allows for both, interruptions in, and reestablishment of, the linear line.

Thus we use the term lineal.

So by recognition alone I think Holmes met the lineal criteria at some point.

Holmes met the criteria by him and Norton fighting for the title Ali vacated as the #1and #2 best ranked fighters in the division. He wasn't recognized until he beat Ali in that I'll fated fight for Muhammad. He was and is certainly regarded as a lineal heavyweight champion.

[JAB5239]

- - If U wasn't such a bad combo of dumb and dumpty, U might be in the history books...TRUE...

Whatever you say drunky. I'm not the one trying to diminish Johnson because the French vouldnt make up their minds who the champion should or shouldn't be while the rest of the world recognized Johnson.

[mattdonnellon]

I'm just going to throw this up, for no good reason at all.....
The best heavyweight world title holders who never wore the real championship.

Fair play, I'll have a go. I think you just forgot Povetkin and maybe a bit harsh on the 1980's guys.
1 Vitali Klitschko
2.Ken Norton
3.Peter Jackson
4. Sam Langford
5. Harry Wills
6.Jimmy Ellis
7. Alexander Povetkin
8.Tim Witherspoon
9. Joe Jeannette
10.Anthony Joshua
11.Jimmy Bivins
12.Tony Tubbs
13.Oliver McCall
14.Deontay Wilder
15.Sam McVey
16.Ernie Terrell
17.Joseph Parker
18.Frank Bruno
19.John Tate
20.Andy Ruiz Jr
21.Peter Maher
22.Gerrie Coetzee
23.Luther McCarty
24.Ed Martin
25.George "The Leiperville Shadow" Godfrey
Honerable mention;Ruslan Chagaev

[JAB5239]

Just out of curiosity, what are we basing the list on? How wr think fighters would perform h2h? Resume? Losing efforts in championship fights?

[QueensburyRules]

Holmes met the criteria by him and Norton fighting for the title Ali vacated as the #1and #2 best ranked fighters in the division. He wasn't recognized until he beat Ali in that I'll fated fight for Muhammad. He was and is certainly regarded as a lineal heavyweight champion.

- - ie Tubby Lar who was still skinny then never beat a title holder holding a title won in the ring...thanks for the reminder Einstein...

[JAB5239]

- - ie Tubby Lar who was still skinny then never beat a title holder holding a title won in the ring...thanks for the reminder Einstein...

This has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. But that's what you do, sabotage threads.

By the way.....Holmes is universally seen as a top 10 ATG heavyweight. In many cases top 5. Einstein.