Why not Holmes over Ali?

[JAB5239]

Wait, I have done no such thing. I don't plan on telling the mods that you ridiculous questionIvich is Bronson.

But if he ruins my thread and closes them, which he has done in the past, I may act. Others may act too.

Where is your proff that I am a snitch? It is a baseless claim, and all you have.

I am glad you can take a little ribbing, Cowboy. Really I am. And in case you don't know ( which you don't ) I was not the only one laughing at the 4 " comment.

That was all in good fun. I am not your wife!

Now let's get back to the thread, shall we? In what year do you think Holmes beats Ali? 1980? 1979? 1978? 1977? Sooner than that?

After all this is how banter and debate work. I expect an answer for a warrior like yourself. My hunch is you can take it.



No, you did not say the year. I give you a chace to do so again. 1980,1979, 1978, 1977, or before that time?

And you have no proof of snitching.

I however have shown Bronson is an Alt and listed names he has used before. Now do you think Bronson is the same poster as Ivich? Speak up. Yes or No? I think your gun shy on that question, Cowboy.

Ante up! I am calling your bluff.

I don't need proof, you have outed yourself in this thread repeatedly. Every single time you mention Ivich, McVey or any other name you have said. Or the most damning, "just admit you're Ivich and I won't report you this week". Pretty cut and dry stuff there. You outed yourself, and you're still doing it, snitch.

As far as your ridiculous thread goes, you tried saying Holmes said he was kicked out of Ali's camp. That not true. You tried posting a video as if it would be watched and there was nothing in it. You tried saying it's in the book "Facing Ali". It's not. When asked for the page number you have incessantly avoided answering. You tried saying Ali-Liston was a tank job with no proof. When I posted what really happened you ignored it. You've aske who Ali beat from '66 yo '72 knowing full well Ali was suspended (unjustly) 3 of those years. You've Insinuated because Norton beat Ali in '73 and lost to Holmes Holmes in '78 it means Holmes would have beaten Ali. You dont even know if '78 Holmes would beat '73 Norton. Lastly you want to know when people think Holmes could have beaten Ali. Its irrelevant to the original question "why not Holmes over Ali". You have been given a ton of answers as to why no one but you would even consider this but ignored all of the fact. Like i said, this was a crappy topic from the beginning easily answered by ANY boxing fan without an agenda. The only reason its gotten any attention is because of your ridiculous trolling. Like i said son, your ship here is sinking.

[Bronson66]

I don't need proof, you have outed yourself in this thread repeatedly. Every single time you mention Ivich, McVey or any other name you have said. Or the most damning, "just admit you're Ivich and I won't report you this week". Pretty cut and dry stuff there. You outed yourself, and you're still doing it, snitch.

As far as your ridiculous thread goes, you tried saying Holmes said he was kicked out of Ali's camp. That not true. You tried posting a video as if it would be watched and there was nothing in it. You tried saying it's in the book "Facing Ali". It's not. When asked for the page number you have incessantly avoided answering. You tried saying Ali-Liston was a tank job with no proof. When I posted what really happened you ignored it. You've aske who Ali beat from '66 yo '72 knowing full well Ali was suspended (unjustly) 3 of those years. You've Insinuated because Norton beat Ali in '73 and lost to Holmes Holmes in '78 it means Holmes would have beaten Ali. You dont even know if '78 Holmes would beat '73 Norton. Lastly you want to know when people think Holmes could have beaten Ali. Its irrelevant to the original question "why not Holmes over Ali". You have been given a ton of answers as to why no one but you would even consider this but ignored all of the fact. Like i said, this was a crappy topic from the beginning easily answered by ANY boxing fan without an agenda. The only reason its gotten any attention is because of your ridiculous trolling. Like i said son, your ship here is sinking.

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[Dr. Z]

Wait, I have done no such thing. I don't plan on telling the mods that you ridiculous questionIvich is Bronson.

But if he ruins my thread and closes them, which he has done in the past, I may act. Others may act too.

Where is your proff that I am a snitch? It is a baseless claim, and all you have.

I am glad you can take a little ribbing, Cowboy. Really I am. And in case you don't know ( which you don't ) I was not the only one laughing at the 4 " comment.

That was all in good fun. I am not your wife!

Now let's get back to the thread, shall we? In what year do you think Holmes beats Ali? 1980? 1979? 1978? 1977? Sooner than that?

After all this is how banter and debate work. I expect an answer for a warrior like yourself. My hunch is you can take it.



No, you did not say the year. I give you a chace to do so again. 1980,1979, 1978, 1977, or before that time?

And you have no proof of snitching.

I however have shown Bronson is an Alt and listed names he has used before. Now do you think Bronson is the same poster as Ivich? Speak up. Yes or No? I think your gun shy on that question, Cowboy.

Ante up! I am calling your bluff.

I don't need proof, you have outed yourself in this thread repeatedly. Every single time you mention Ivich, McVey or any other name you have said. Or the most damning, "just admit you're Ivich and I won't report you this week". Pretty cut and dry stuff there. You outed yourself, and you're still doing it, snitch.

As far as your ridiculous thread goes, you tried saying Holmes said he was kicked out of Ali's camp. That not true. You tried posting a video as if it would be watched and there was nothing in it. You tried saying it's in the book "Facing Ali". It's not. When asked for the page number you have incessantly avoided answering. You tried saying Ali-Liston was a tank job with no proof. When I posted what really happened you ignored it. You've aske who Ali beat from '66 yo '72 knowing full well Ali was suspended (unjustly) 3 of those years. You've Insinuated because Norton beat Ali in '73 and lost to Holmes Holmes in '78 it means Holmes would have beaten Ali. You dont even know if '78 Holmes would beat '73 Norton. Lastly you want to know when people think Holmes could have beaten Ali. Its irrelevant to the original question "why not Holmes over Ali". You have been given a ton of answers as to why no one but you would even consider this but ignored all of the fact. Like i said, this was a crappy topic from the beginning easily answered by ANY boxing fan without an agenda. The only reason its gotten any attention is because of your ridiculous trolling. Like i said son, your ship here is sinking.

You don't need proof?! Because you have none. You're lame, and pointless. Ivich is at my mercy and if he keeps trying to ruin my thead and other posters threads, I can and will report him. Are you for posters acting like jerks?

Maybe I should find a copy of facing Ali, if for no other reason to stick it in you grill. But you will not say I'm sorry, you are correct, I was wrong.

You don't own the book, do you? Speak up! I am calling you out. But you won't likey answer this question. You duck many of them. Why? Because you cornered and by speaking the truth, people will see you are speaking out if you rear end.

Like when I siad Greb was a dirty fighter. I cited several sources on him, including the Hall of fame that said so. Remember? You did nothing but deny, deny , deny..

Your entire story is to say it did not happen, avoiding questions, doing little no research and denying the facts. And claim that which you have not proof on.

Now once again, in what year do you think Holmes beats Ali? 1980? 1979? 1978? 1977? Give me a year. You continue to opt out.

Keep avoiding me, being the boy who cried wolf with no proof and often little research, and calling me a snitch with no proof. It means nothing.

I would bet any amout that a 1978 Holmes would beat a 1978 Ali. He was too fast and active for Ali then.

[Bronson66]

Wait, I have done no such thing. I don't plan on telling the mods that you ridiculous questionIvich is Bronson.

But if he ruins my thread and closes them, which he has done in the past, I may act. Others may act too.

Where is your proff that I am a snitch? It is a baseless claim, and all you have.

I am glad you can take a little ribbing, Cowboy. Really I am. And in case you don't know ( which you don't ) I was not the only one laughing at the 4 " comment.

That was all in good fun. I am not your wife!

Now let's get back to the thread, shall we? In what year do you think Holmes beats Ali? 1980? 1979? 1978? 1977? Sooner than that?

After all this is how banter and debate work. I expect an answer for a warrior like yourself. My hunch is you can take it.



No, you did not say the year. I give you a chace to do so again. 1980,1979, 1978, 1977, or before that time?

And you have no proof of snitching.

I however have shown Bronson is an Alt and listed names he has used before. Now do you think Bronson is the same poster as Ivich? Speak up. Yes or No? I think your gun shy on that question, Cowboy.

Ante up! I am calling your bluff.







You don't need proof?! Because you have none. You're lame, and pointless. Ivich is at my mercy and if he keeps trying to ruin my thead and other posters threads, I can and will report him. Are you for posters acting like jerks?

Maybe I should find a copy of facing Ali, if for no other reason to stick it in you grill. But you will not say I'm sorry, you are correct, I was wrong.

You don't own the book, do you? Speak up! I am calling you out. But you won't likey answer this question. You duck many of them. Why? Because you cornered and by speaking the truth, people will see you are speaking out if you rear end.

Like when I siad Greb was a dirty fighter. I cited several sources on him, including the Hall of fame that said so. Remember? You did nothing but deny, deny , deny..

Your entire story is to say it did not happen, avoiding questions, doing little no research and denying the facts. And claim that which you have not proof on.

Now once again, in what year do you think Holmes beats Ali? 1980? 1979? 1978? 1977? Give me a year. You continue to opt out.

Keep avoiding me, being the boy who cried wolf with no proof and often little research, and calling me a snitch with no proof. It means nothing.

I would bet any amout that a 1978 Holmes would beat a 1978 Ali. He was too fast and active for Ali then.

I'm at your mercy? lol

I own the book nowhere in it does Holmes say he was fired by Ali,on the contrary he say he and his manager made the decision to leave the camp and strike out on their own and I posted the quote and the page on which it can be found.

You continually accuse others of not providing proof ,whilst never doing so yourself and ,when called on it, tell posters to," go look for it!"

You continually accuse other of being liars whilst compulsively lying yourself!


You accuse me of being a bet welcher ? We have had ONE WAGER. The Ruhlin v Fitzsimmons fight.
I said it was NOT filmed.
You said it WAS.
I provided 3 primary sources proving it was NOT filmed.
Gilbert Odd's Book" The Fighting Blacksmith"

Adam Pollack;s In The Ring With Bob Fitzsimmon's

And Author and Fight Film collector Kevin Compton's statement confirming the camera refused to work.
A reconstruction fake fight was made later by well known film faker S Lubin,with both fighters playing themselves,Ruhlin wearing stage make up to hide his facial bruises, offered as the REAL fight, this swindle went over well with the public until it was noticed that Jim Corbett who had been Ruhlin's chief second was not in the film .

Corbett had returned to San Francisco and refused to come back to NY,the fight had been held at the Old Madison Square Garden.

First you said the fight WAS filmed and quoted Ted Spoon the author as having told you so.
I contacted Ted and he denied ever having spoken to you,andconfiremd was happy for me to say so in print.
Then you tried a different tack,you said ,as the two men had been filmed in a fake re-enactment that counted as the fight fight being filmed!
You then refused to honor the bet which was a self imposed , voluntary ban from Classic.
So we have you proven to be .
1. A LIAR
2. A BET WELCHER

3. Now threatening to be a stool pigeon ,informer,because you are getting you ass whipped here!


You accuse me of having multiples ALTS.I have never had one.I've had 2 User names on here and 2 on Classic
Point out my Lies?
Point out my Alts?

[Bronson66]

Wait, I have done no such thing. I don't plan on telling the mods that you ridiculous questionIvich is Bronson.

But if he ruins my thread and closes them, which he has done in the past, I may act. Others may act too.

Where is your proff that I am a snitch? It is a baseless claim, and all you have.

I am glad you can take a little ribbing, Cowboy. Really I am. And in case you don't know ( which you don't ) I was not the only one laughing at the 4 " comment.

That was all in good fun. I am not your wife!

Now let's get back to the thread, shall we? In what year do you think Holmes beats Ali? 1980? 1979? 1978? 1977? Sooner than that?

After all this is how banter and debate work. I expect an answer for a warrior like yourself. My hunch is you can take it.



No, you did not say the year. I give you a chace to do so again. 1980,1979, 1978, 1977, or before that time?

And you have no proof of snitching.

I however have shown Bronson is an Alt and listed names he has used before. Now do you think Bronson is the same poster as Ivich? Speak up. Yes or No? I think your gun shy on that question, Cowboy.

Ante up! I am calling your bluff.

The subject of the thread. YOUR THREAD Is Why Not Holmes Over Ali?
You have been given multiple reasons why not and refuse to accept them.
You have made multiple claims here that have been disproved.

Beaten out of sight on that you have now changed direction and are demanding when Holmes would beat Ali ?
As if the question is in anyway relevant to the subject of the thread?

How absurd is that?

Ali was born on13th Jan 1942
Holmes was born on7th Nov 1949
There is nearly 8 years difference in their ages,.Common sense would indicate that Holmes would beat Ali at some point!
However that was not the title of YOUR THREAD.
You don't really know what you are doing do you.lol

[JAB5239]

Wait, I have done no such thing. I don't plan on telling the mods that you ridiculous questionIvich is Bronson.

But if he ruins my thread and closes them, which he has done in the past, I may act. Others may act too.

Where is your proff that I am a snitch? It is a baseless claim, and all you have.

I am glad you can take a little ribbing, Cowboy. Really I am. And in case you don't know ( which you don't ) I was not the only one laughing at the 4 " comment.

That was all in good fun. I am not your wife!

Now let's get back to the thread, shall we? In what year do you think Holmes beats Ali? 1980? 1979? 1978? 1977? Sooner than that?

After all this is how banter and debate work. I expect an answer for a warrior like yourself. My hunch is you can take it.



No, you did not say the year. I give you a chace to do so again. 1980,1979, 1978, 1977, or before that time?

And you have no proof of snitching.

I however have shown Bronson is an Alt and listed names he has used before. Now do you think Bronson is the same poster as Ivich? Speak up. Yes or No? I think your gun shy on that question, Cowboy.

Ante up! I am calling your bluff.







You don't need proof?! Because you have none. You're lame, and pointless. Ivich is at my mercy and if he keeps trying to ruin my thead and other posters threads, I can and will report him. Are you for posters acting like jerks?

Maybe I should find a copy of facing Ali, if for no other reason to stick it in you grill. But you will not say I'm sorry, you are correct, I was wrong.

You don't own the book, do you? Speak up! I am calling you out. But you won't likey answer this question. You duck many of them. Why? Because you cornered and by speaking the truth, people will see you are speaking out if you rear end.

Like when I siad Greb was a dirty fighter. I cited several sources on him, including the Hall of fame that said so. Remember? You did nothing but deny, deny , deny..

Your entire story is to say it did not happen, avoiding questions, doing little no research and denying the facts. And claim that which you have not proof on.

Now once again, in what year do you think Holmes beats Ali? 1980? 1979? 1978? 1977? Give me a year. You continue to opt out.

Keep avoiding me, being the boy who cried wolf with no proof and often little research, and calling me a snitch with no proof. It means nothing.

I would bet any amout that a 1978 Holmes would beat a 1978 Ali. He was too fast and active for Ali then.

You are a rat. If it walk like a rat and sounds like a rat, it's a rat. Go ahead and get the book and give me the page number, I'll be waiting. You've turned your own thread into a troll thread because you've been caught making things up. You would bet any amount Holmes of 78 would be Ali of the same year? Wow, how very brave of you!! Considering it didn't happen though, what does it have to do with "why not Holmes over Ali?"

Keep dry snitching.....it's the same as snitching. All because Bronson posts facts and you make stuff up and get exposed.

[QueensburyRules]

You are a rat. If it walk like a rat and sounds like a rat, it's a rat. Go ahead and get the book and give me the page number, I'll be waiting. You've turned your own thread into a troll thread because you've been caught making things up. You would bet any amount Holmes of 78 would be Ali of the same year? Wow, how very brave of you!! Considering it didn't happen though, what does it have to do with "why not Holmes over Ali?"

Keep dry snitching.....it's the same as snitching. All because Bronson posts facts and you make stuff up and get exposed.

- - Don't take much to get U monkeys off topic.

Holmesy never beat a standing champ who won his title in the ring, instead losing to every such champ, ie a fake champ sorta like U being a real chump loving fake champs.

[billeau2]

Wait, I have done no such thing. I don't plan on telling the mods that you ridiculous questionIvich is Bronson.

But if he ruins my thread and closes them, which he has done in the past, I may act. Others may act too.

Where is your proff that I am a snitch? It is a baseless claim, and all you have.

I am glad you can take a little ribbing, Cowboy. Really I am. And in case you don't know ( which you don't ) I was not the only one laughing at the 4 " comment.

That was all in good fun. I am not your wife!

Now let's get back to the thread, shall we? In what year do you think Holmes beats Ali? 1980? 1979? 1978? 1977? Sooner than that?

After all this is how banter and debate work. I expect an answer for a warrior like yourself. My hunch is you can take it.



No, you did not say the year. I give you a chace to do so again. 1980,1979, 1978, 1977, or before that time?

And you have no proof of snitching.

I however have shown Bronson is an Alt and listed names he has used before. Now do you think Bronson is the same poster as Ivich? Speak up. Yes or No? I think your gun shy on that question, Cowboy.

Ante up! I am calling your bluff.







You don't need proof?! Because you have none. You're lame, and pointless. Ivich is at my mercy and if he keeps trying to ruin my thead and other posters threads, I can and will report him. Are you for posters acting like jerks?

Maybe I should find a copy of facing Ali, if for no other reason to stick it in you grill. But you will not say I'm sorry, you are correct, I was wrong.

You don't own the book, do you? Speak up! I am calling you out. But you won't likey answer this question. You duck many of them. Why? Because you cornered and by speaking the truth, people will see you are speaking out if you rear end.

Like when I siad Greb was a dirty fighter. I cited several sources on him, including the Hall of fame that said so. Remember? You did nothing but deny, deny , deny..

Your entire story is to say it did not happen, avoiding questions, doing little no research and denying the facts. And claim that which you have not proof on.

Now once again, in what year do you think Holmes beats Ali? 1980? 1979? 1978? 1977? Give me a year. You continue to opt out.

Keep avoiding me, being the boy who cried wolf with no proof and often little research, and calling me a snitch with no proof. It means nothing.

I would bet any amout that a 1978 Holmes would beat a 1978 Ali. He was too fast and active for Ali then.

At your mercy? have you started drinking with Queenie or something? The only person at your mercy is Mendoza. We need to bring that guy back, we really do... Then you would have someone to kick around!

[Bronson66]

At your mercy? have you started drinking with Queenie or something? The only person at your mercy is Mendoza. We need to bring that guy back, we really do... Then you would have someone to kick around!

Dr Z = Mendoza. There isn't two of them.God would not have made the same mistake twice.

[Bronson66]

Wait, I have done no such thing. I don't plan on telling the mods that you ridiculous questionIvich is Bronson.

But if he ruins my thread and closes them, which he has done in the past, I may act. Others may act too.

Where is your proff that I am a snitch? It is a baseless claim, and all you have.

I am glad you can take a little ribbing, Cowboy. Really I am. And in case you don't know ( which you don't ) I was not the only one laughing at the 4 " comment.

That was all in good fun. I am not your wife!

Now let's get back to the thread, shall we? In what year do you think Holmes beats Ali? 1980? 1979? 1978? 1977? Sooner than that?

After all this is how banter and debate work. I expect an answer for a warrior like yourself. My hunch is you can take it.



No, you did not say the year. I give you a chace to do so again. 1980,1979, 1978, 1977, or before that time?

And you have no proof of snitching.

I however have shown Bronson is an Alt and listed names he has used before. Now do you think Bronson is the same poster as Ivich? Speak up. Yes or No? I think your gun shy on that question, Cowboy.

Ante up! I am calling your bluff.







You don't need proof?! Because you have none. You're lame, and pointless. Ivich is at my mercy and if he keeps trying to ruin my thead and other posters threads, I can and will report him. Are you for posters acting like jerks?

Maybe I should find a copy of facing Ali, if for no other reason to stick it in you grill. But you will not say I'm sorry, you are correct, I was wrong.

You don't own the book, do you? Speak up! I am calling you out. But you won't likey answer this question. You duck many of them. Why? Because you cornered and by speaking the truth, people will see you are speaking out if you rear end.

Like when I siad Greb was a dirty fighter. I cited several sources on him, including the Hall of fame that said so. Remember? You did nothing but deny, deny , deny..

Your entire story is to say it did not happen, avoiding questions, doing little no research and denying the facts. And claim that which you have not proof on.

Now once again, in what year do you think Holmes beats Ali? 1980? 1979? 1978? 1977? Give me a year. You continue to opt out.

Keep avoiding me, being the boy who cried wolf with no proof and often little research, and calling me a snitch with no proof. It means nothing.

I would bet any amout that a 1978 Holmes would beat a 1978 Ali. He was too fast and active for Ali then.

In Jan 1978 Ali was 36, Holmes was 28.You're not playing with a full deck are you.