Mayweather path of least resistance and Canelo

[billeau2]

Really, how so?

Floyd beat more prime HOF'ers, more HOF'ers in general, more P4P ranked fighters, more reigning world champion, more #1 ranked fighters, more Top 5 ranked fighters, by quite the massive margin in comparison to Canelo.

I can't understand this line of thinking.

It is hard to point to one thing. I mean certainly if we say Floyd managed to fight a lot of the greater fighters he fought, at a catchweight, past their prime, at some opportune time, etc, we have to look at things like when Canelo fought Golovkin (for example)... So Canelo does not get a total pass.

[IronDanHamza]

It is hard to point to one thing. I mean certainly if we say Floyd managed to fight a lot of the greater fighters he fought, at a catchweight, past their prime, at some opportune time, etc, we have to look at things like when Canelo fought Golovkin (for example)... So Canelo does not get a total pass.

I understand but that's not really answering the question.

Like I said Floyd beat prime HOFers multiple times. Did Canelo? I don't think so.

From every angle you measure it Floyd has Canelo beat by a landslide so I just can't see how you could logically say that Canelo challenged himself more than Floyd.

[IronDanHamza]

I am entitled to my opinion. This opinion also syncs with multiple articles throughout the years describing Floyd's "cherry-picking", his "retirements", his a-side antics to gain the advantage in some way or form. Any boxing fan who has paid attention has read maybe one or two articles pertaining to Floyd in this subject matter, but yeah it's just my imagination.

You can stroke Floyd all you want to here, that is your opinion also.

Ehhh, not really. There are way more pieces of literature to attest to Floyd's greatness than the latter. So, don't think that really makes much sense at all, that angle.

Like I said yes you are entitled to your opinion but it's not based on "reality". I only use the word reality in response because it's the word you brought up in regards to the world champions that Floyd beat, which is ample. In fact, I think he holds the record, or at least did, if not close to it.

It genuinely blows my mind that a fighter can have objective, demonstrable achievements under their belt such as 13 world titles across 5 weight classes, 4 of which Lineal, to then also have someone argue that same fighter fought at the path of least resistance. It's surely a non sensical argument? I don't know.

7 P4P ranked fighters beaten, that was a record at the time, beaten only by Pacquaio eventually.

10 #1 ranked fighters beaten. That's 10 times, that this fighter beat the #1 ranked fighter in the division that was being competed at, yet also at the same time, is taking the least resistance? How could those two things occur at the same time?

[Kid Cauliflower]

I understand but that's not really answering the question.

Like I said Floyd beat prime HOFers multiple times. Did Canelo? I don't think so.

From every angle you measure it Floyd has Canelo beat by a landslide so I just can't see how you could logically say that Canelo challenged himself more than Floyd.

HOFers? You still on that laugh?That's a HOFame not the hall of great fighters. If it were, at least 4/5 of those guys wouldn't be there.

Oh, yes, I remember Mayweather's teasing of his own fans and all others with long waits and fruitless promises.

I gave your butt a chance to rank him, but what the hell did you do--ran away blubbering and afraid. You should stop your squalling that a whole lot of boxing fans cannot stand him and his stalling antics. They cannot stand him or his style. They give no credit for beating geezers that could have been fought earlier, when it meant something.

Hell, I saw how close Maidana and Castillo were able to make it. Duran would tear him in little pieces. Leonard would destroy him, Pryor mangles the little showboat. Even the diminutive Pacquiao had a decent chance, if fought earlier.

[IronDanHamza]

HOFers? You still on that laugh?That's a HOFame not the hall of great fighters. If it were, at least 4/5 of those guys wouldn't be there.

Oh, yes, I remember Mayweather's teasing of his own fans and all others with long waits and fruitless promises.

I gave your butt a chance to rank him, but what the hell did you do--ran away blubbering and afraid. You should stop your squalling that a whole lot of boxing fans cannot stand him and his stalling antics. They cannot stand him or his style. They give no credit for beating geezers that could have been fought earlier, when it meant something.

Hell, I saw how close Maidana and Castillo were able to make it. Duran would tear him in little pieces. Leonard would destroy him, Pryor mangles the little showboat. Even the diminutive Pacquiao had a decent chance, if fought earlier.

You get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning son? Why the animosity? Very strange character, aren't you boy?

We already had this conversation and I explicitly said to you;

Also, you said I won't make a list? Mate I love a good list! What exactly are you asking me to make a list of? Fighters I consider greater than Mayweather? Or if not, what? Let me know and I'll make one.

To which you didn't respond. So, if you let me know I will happily do so. And by the way, that was a totally different thread to this one if you weren't aware.

As for Castillo and Maidana arguably beating Floyd therefore Duran and co do. That's a fantastic triangle theory you've used there but sadly I think most understand that they are meaningless. Is this where we are at now? Triangle theories?

Roberto Duran lost to Kirkland Laing.......Mayweather therefore beats Duran easily!!!! Am I doing it right?

Very silly.

[QueensburyRules]

Ehhh, not really. There are way more pieces of literature to attest to Floyd's greatness than the latter. So, don't think that really makes much sense at all, that angle.

Like I said yes you are entitled to your opinion but it's not based on "reality". I only use the word reality in response because it's the word you brought up in regards to the world champions that Floyd beat, which is ample. In fact, I think he holds the record, or at least did, if not close to it.

It genuinely blows my mind that a fighter can have objective, demonstrable achievements under their belt such as 13 world titles across 5 weight classes, 4 of which Lineal, to then also have someone argue that same fighter fought at the path of least resistance. It's surely a non sensical argument? I don't know.

7 P4P ranked fighters beaten, that was a record at the time, beaten only by Pacquaio eventually.

10 #1 ranked fighters beaten. That's 10 times, that this fighter beat the #1 ranked fighter in the division that was being competed at, yet also at the same time, is taking the least resistance? How could those two things occur at the same time?

- - Multiple retirements, the first a classic Public bawling like a kicked schoolgrrl mental mental breakdown bucked up by Ellerbee to avoid the lucrative Oscar rematch. l'l floydy Crack Daddy say Oscar won that fight that was a controversial split decision. Manny took that bout to save the substantial promotional $$$ Oscar had put up by jumping 2 weight classes to obliterate and permanently retire poor Oscar.

Look, it's a new era and it's OK to love SissyBoys and Crack Families...

[billeau2]

I understand but that's not really answering the question.

Like I said Floyd beat prime HOFers multiple times. Did Canelo? I don't think so.

From every angle you measure it Floyd has Canelo beat by a landslide so I just can't see how you could logically say that Canelo challenged himself more than Floyd.

Its not provable. It has to do with the Floyd's timing... Not even so much with catch weights which I think Canelo also took advantage of.

[IronDanHamza]

Its not provable. It has to do with the Floyd's timing... Not even so much with catch weights which I think Canelo also took advantage of.

Floyd only ever did 2 catchweight fights Relatively normal, Pacquaio did the same, Whitaker, the list goes on historically.

Canelo had like what? Over 10 catchweight fights? It's not even close to comparable I don't think.

[billeau2]

Floyd only ever did 2 catchweight fights Relatively normal, Pacquaio did the same, Whitaker, the list goes on historically.

Canelo had like what? Over 10 catchweight fights? It's not even close to comparable I don't think.

That is why I took "catch weights" out of the equation... Apparently a lot of people think Floyd fought more at catch weight and Canelo fought less. I did not know either way so decided not to include catch weights... though I would have thought it was closer. I do not know how many each guy fought at catch weight... bottom line.

Just did a search: According to an internet search Canelo had 5 fights at catch weight... There is no number listed for Floyd but I can only think of the Marquez fight off hand and maybe the pac fight? I don't know how trusted the net is... But Canelo def fought more at catch weight.

Lol! the second catch weight floyd fight was Canelo...

[IronDanHamza]

That is why I took "catch weights" out of the equation... Apparently a lot of people think Floyd fought more at catch weight and Canelo fought less. I did not know either way so decided not to include catch weights... though I would have thought it was closer. I do not know how many each guy fought at catch weight... bottom line.

Just did a search: According to an internet search Canelo had 5 fights at catch weight... There is no number listed for Floyd but I can only think of the Marquez fight off hand and maybe the pac fight? I don't know how trusted the net is... But Canelo def fought more at catch weight.

I count eight for Canelo (not including Mayweather as it wasn't his choice);

Ndou
Hatton
Angulo
Lara
Kirkland
Cotto
Khan
Chavez

Mayweather has two;

Marquez
Canelo

Pacquaio has four;

Cotto
Margarito
Marquez 3
Algeri


So it's again not a fair criticism, if one were to use that as such.