Mayweather path of least resistance and Canelo

[QueensburyRules]

Yeah, that's Mayweather's fault then and definitely show's a lack of accountability on the part of his fans. Don't know why people argued with me so much on this then. At least now I know I have a comeback if this ever comes up again.

- - Yeah, l'l floydy and he Crack Daddy and cross dressing Oscar had to pay damages and issue public proclamations of apology...

[JAB5239]

Thomas Hauser isn’t an expert on PEDs, no. And you certainly are not, that is clear with the cosnsisent nonsense you have spouted in this thread.

Well yes, that is how it works, gold standard Drug testing organisations such as USADA are brought in externally for a high cost. They are brought in, and paid a lot of money for to provide a gold standard service. Which USADA absolutely are, still to this day. Only VADA would be arguably higher, who are also “brought in” externally.

To disregard a company of that calibre is flat out retarded.

Floyd brought in, what at the time, was hands down THE best drug testing company and procedure in the world bar none. Which now, in boxing, is a protocol that is an industry standard. And RIGHTFULLY SO.

Manny Pacquaio, REFUSED to undertake that procedure, and thus, their 2009 negotiatons collapsed. The same protocol that he later demanded anyone who fights him do the same protocol from that moment on, and, the exact same one he agreed to 6 years later to fight Floyd, the exact same one he previously refused to do.

That is what happened. Cut and dry, black and white. End of story. Spinning it, and telling blatant falsehoods, and really just outright lies, doesn’t change that.

You obviously didn't read the article. And with all do respect, I'll take Hausers extensive research and sources over your word on this. USADA is so good the only caught Eric Morales during that time, and it took samples from a couple YEARS before to suspend Lance Armstrong, the biggest cheat in sporting history. The USADA stood to make more from Floyd's crusade than actually doing what they were supposed to be doing. Do you notice all Haymons fighters are enrolled? Because they control the narrative. Arum offered the compromise, Mayweather wouldn't budge. Mayweather get caught using g illegal IV and get exemption 3 weeks later. Sorry, something stinks there and it stunk in 2009 as.well. Floyd is one of those people unwilling to compromise, than when he gets caught in the wrong it's "do as I say, not as I do" kind of thing. There is more proof of Floyd being a cheater than there ever was of Pacquiao and I honestly think Floyd was not afraid to fight, but to lose that undefeated record against an equally dynamic but more exciting fighter. But hey, what do I know?

[IronDanHamza]

You obviously didn't read the article. And with all do respect, I'll take Hausers extensive research and sources over your word on this. USADA is so good the only caught Eric Morales during that time, and it took samples from a couple YEARS before to suspend Lance Armstrong, the biggest cheat in sporting history. The USADA stood to make more from Floyd's crusade than actually doing what they were supposed to be doing. Do you notice all Haymons fighters are enrolled? Because they control the narrative. Arum offered the compromise, Mayweather wouldn't budge. Mayweather get caught using g illegal IV and get exemption 3 weeks later. Sorry, something stinks there and it stunk in 2009 as.well. Floyd is one of those people unwilling to compromise, than when he gets caught in the wrong it's "do as I say, not as I do" kind of thing. There is more proof of Floyd being a cheater than there ever was of Pacquiao and I honestly think Floyd was not afraid to fight, but to lose that undefeated record against an equally dynamic but more exciting fighter. But hey, what do I know?

Who is Thomas Hauser and what the fuck does he know about the PED world? He's a boxing journalist. PED's is what I do for a living mate and is my bread and butter and something I've been extensively involved in both professionally and personally for about 40 years, I am a bonified expert on this topic, more so than I am on Boxing even. So yeah go on take Thomas Hauser, someone who has no real idea about PED's word on it Are you going to take his word on cooking next?

What do you know? Nothing on this topic clearly. What absolute, tin foil hat, absurd DRIVEL you have just written USADA are one of the gold standards of the Drug testing world, seems you actually aren't even aware of that. They are far from perfect, as this field is an incredibly difficult field to maintain and mistakes are guaranteed, but despite that they are still far and beyond amongst the gold standard of drug testing protocol in the world.

And just so you're aware USADA have caught a PLETHORA of combat sport athletes in the last decade alone. You obviously aren't aware of that either.

Compromise on what? Like I have just said, asking for a cut off date on a random drug testing protocol completely defeats the ENTIRE purpose of having it at all. It's as good as useless with a cut off date. That's the whole fucking point of it, random testing up to the day of the fight/event.

Which, Pacquaio REFUSED to go through with and the fight fell through due to that, no other reason. That is a fact.

[JAB5239]

Who is Thomas Hauser and what the fuck does he know about the PED world? He's a boxing journalist. PED's is what I do for a living mate and is my bread and butter and something I've been extensively involved in both professionally and personally for about 40 years, I am a bonified expert on this topic, more so than I am on Boxing even. So yeah go on take Thomas Hauser, someone who has no real idea about PED's word on it Are you going to take his word on cooking next?

What do you know? Nothing on this topic clearly. What absolute, tin foil hat, absurd DRIVEL you have just written USADA are one of the gold standards of the Drug testing world, seems you actually aren't even aware of that. They are far from perfect, as this field is an incredibly difficult field to maintain and mistakes are guaranteed, but despite that they are still far and beyond amongst the gold standard of drug testing protocol in the world.

And just so you're aware USADA have caught a PLETHORA of combat sport athletes in the last decade alone. You obviously aren't aware of that either.

Compromise on what? Like I have just said, asking for a cut off date on a random drug testing protocol completely defeats the ENTIRE purpose of having it at all. It's as good as useless with a cut off date. That's the whole fucking point of it, random testing up to the day of the fight/event.

Which, Pacquaio REFUSED to go through with and the fight fell through due to that, no other reason. That is a fact.

So you've been juicing and selling steroids for 40 years? Impressive. But that doesn't make you an expert, only a criminal. Why did it take USADA two years (samples that were two years old) to catch Armstrong? Why an exemption for Floyd nearly 3 weeks after the illegal injection before the Pacquiao fight, yet Pac was refused a shot for a shoulder injury. Bottom line is Floyd never asked for USADA testing before Pacquiao, being fine with the methods that had been being used. All of a sudden he gets nervous, wants new testing and has seemingly benefitted from it more than once. Sorry, something stinks there. And of all these failed drug tests in Combat sports, how many have been from Floyd or any fighters in his stable? Like I said, I'll take Hausers words and sources over yours. Victor Conte is one of those sources questioning USADA methods. Does he know nothing either?

Floyd is shady af as is his association with USADA.

[IronDanHamza]

So you've been juicing and selling steroids for 40 years? Impressive. But that doesn't make you an expert, only a criminal.

Are you a fucking retard mate? Where have I said anywhere that I sell PEDs? That is illegal and no I do not sell PEDs and have never sold PEDs.

I am a former pro body builder and now a pro body building coach, based in the UK, where PED's are LEGAL to buy and use. So no, nothing I do is illegal.

I have however, used PEDs' extensively for 40 years myself. And have built cycles for elite athletes over a 25 year span into the 6 figure mark. So yes, that makes me a bonafied expert on this topic.

Why did it take USADA two years (samples that were two years old) to catch Armstrong? Why an exemption for Floyd nearly 3 weeks after the illegal injection before the Pacquiao fight, yet Pac was refused a shot for a shoulder injury. Bottom line is Floyd never asked for USADA testing before Pacquiao, being fine with the methods that had been being used. All of a sudden he gets nervous, wants new testing and has seemingly benefitted from it more than once. Sorry, something stinks there. And of all these failed drug tests in Combat sports, how many have been from Floyd or any fighters in his stable? Like I said, I'll take Hausers words and sources over yours. Victor Conte is one of those sources questioning USADA methods. Does he know nothing either?

Floyd is shady af as is his association with USADA.

Because like I've just said, this field is incredibly difficult to manage. The science keeps evolving and athletes get smarter to the game, making their jobs incredibly difficult. Also mistakes are made, that's inevitable when the intricoes are as vast as they are . USADA are far from perfect, they've made mistakes but they are also an incredibly great organization and have done great things toward keeping sports as clean as possible. That's just a fact. You don't have the first clue about any of this and should consider stopping talking on it until you do because it's frankly embarrassing.

Victor Conte's criticism of USADA is more than fair, they have made mistakes. Doesn't change the fact they are amongst the gold standard in their field and he would say as much himself.

Thomas Hauser doesn't know the first thing about PEDs. His word is as good as worthless on it, as is yours.

As for Mayweather, he implemented USADA because they were the best drug testing protocol in the world at the time bar none. Pacquaio refused to undergo that protocol just to then agree to the literal exact same protocol 6 years later. These are facts. It's as simple as that.

Get a clue or keep it moving.

[JAB5239]

Are you a fucking retard mate? Where have I said anywhere that I sell PEDs? That is illegal and no I do not sell PEDs and have never sold PEDs.

I am a former pro body builder and now a pro body building coach, based in the UK, where PED's are LEGAL to buy and use. So no, nothing I do is illegal.

I have however, used PEDs' extensively for 40 years myself. And have built cycles for elite athletes over a 25 year span into the 6 figure mark. So yes, that makes me a bonafied expert on this topic.




Because like I've just said, this field is incredibly difficult to manage. The science keeps evolving and athletes get smarter to the game, making their jobs incredibly difficult. Also mistakes are made, that's inevitable when the intricoes are as vast as they are . USADA are far from perfect, they've made mistakes but they are also an incredibly great organization and have done great things toward keeping sports as clean as possible. That's just a fact. You don't have the first clue about any of this and should consider stopping talking on it until you do because it's frankly embarrassing.

Victor Conte's criticism of USADA is more than fair, they have made mistakes. Doesn't change the fact they are amongst the gold standard in their field and he would say as much himself.

Thomas Hauser doesn't know the first thing about PEDs. His word is as good as worthless on it, as is yours.

As for Mayweather, he implemented USADA because they were the best drug testing protocol in the world at the time bar none. Pacquaio refused to undergo that protocol just to then agree to the literal exact same protocol 6 years later. These are facts. It's as simple as that.

Get a clue or keep it moving.

I've never claimed to be an expert on PED's. But I have laid out facts such as Floyd never wanting USADA before Pac and him benefitting from them compromising their own integrity to let him get away with certain things. Sorry, but that's shady stuff. As far as Hauser goes....you don't have to be an expert on PED's to investigate the inconstoncies of USADA. His research is backed by experts and he lays out a very strong case.

[IronDanHamza]

I've never claimed to be an expert on PED's. But I have laid out facts such as Floyd never wanting USADA before Pac and him benefitting from them compromising their own integrity to let him get away with certain things. Sorry, but that's shady stuff. As far as Hauser goes....you don't have to be an expert on PED's to investigate the inconstoncies of USADA. His research is backed by experts and he lays out a very strong case.

Er yeah I think that's very fucking clear mate Not only are you not that, you don't have the first clue about them but yet you still decide to pass comment and sound like a misinformed idiot on the topic. Always baffles me when people do that.

Ok, and? Every thing starts somewhere. Boxing didn't use random drug testing at all until Floyd implemented it, now it's standard and that has helped clean up this sport massively. That is nothing but positive and is irrelevant to the actual point that Pacquaio refused to do it and the fight broke down solely due to that, to then demand the exact same protocol for all of his fights just 3 years later.

Thomas Hauser knows nothing about this field like I said, all his research shows is that USADA have made mistakes, which is inevitable in this field it is impossible to avoid. It is impossible to avoid in general let alone in a field as complex as this one. He's then built a narrative so clueless fools like yourself lap it up and act like you aren't as totally clueless on the topic as he is.

All of this is irrelevant to the point anyway. Pacquaio refused what is now absolute common practice in Boxing and is the sole and only reason that the fight fell through in 2009. You've tried to spin it whilst telling multiple lies on it, which, might wash to those who are as inept as yourself but is not going to wash here I'm afraid.

[JAB5239]

Er yeah I think that's very fucking clear mate Not only are you not that, you don't have the first clue about them but yet you still decide to pass comment and sound like a misinformed idiot on the topic. Always baffles me when people do that.

Ok, and? Every thing starts somewhere. Boxing didn't use random drug testing at all until Floyd implemented it, now it's standard and that has helped clean up this sport massively. That is nothing but positive and is irrelevant to the actual point that Pacquaio refused to do it and the fight broke down solely due to that, to then demand the exact same protocol for all of his fighters just 3 years later.

Thomas Hauser knows nothing about this field like I said, all his research shows is that USADA have made mistakes, which is inevitable in this field it is impossible to avoid. It is impossible to avoid in general let alone in a field as complex as this one. He's then built a narrative so clueless fools like yourself lap it up and act like you aren't as totally clueless on the topic as he is.

All of this is irrelevant to the point anyway. Pacquaio refused what is now absolute common practice in Boxing and is the sole and only reason that the fight fell through in 2009. You've tried to spin it whilst telling multiple lies on it, which, might wash to those who are as inept as yourself but is not going to wash here I'm afraid.

You're saying the same crap over and over but not addressing any of my points or answering any of my questions. You wanna be a fan Boi, have at it. Just because you juice doesn't make you the end all or mean you know more than Hauser, Conte or anyone else in the article I'm sure you didn't bother to read.

[IronDanHamza]

You're saying the same crap over and over but not addressing any of my points or answering any of my questions. You wanna be a fan Boi, have at it. Just because you juice doesn't make you the end all or mean you know more than Hauser, Conte or anyone else in the article I'm sure you didn't bother to read.

You have literally not addressed a single point or any time I've called you out on your numerous lies you've attempted to tell in this thread. I have shut down every embarrassing misinformed nonsense point you have attempted to make. What question have I not answered? There is not a single question in that post I just responded to. I can answer any bullshit question you could possibly ask me.

I have forgotten more about this field than Thomas Hauser, who is a boxing journalist, will ever know He doesn't know the first thing about this field.

Victor Conte is a connoisseur on this topic, never disputed that, I have all the respect in the world for Victor Conte in regards to his knowledge of the game, not so much his cheating past and moral compass on that but that's another topic. He has his personal issues with USADA due to their extensive history, which is fine. His criticisms of USADA are valid, as like any company they have made mistakes. That doesn't doesn't change the fact that USADA are a gold standard drug testing company and Victor wouldn't deny that either.

Fan boy Shut the fuck up you daft cunt. You've got not even the first idea what you're talking about and that is abundantly clear.

[JAB5239]

You have literally not addressed a single point or any time I've called you out on your numerous lies you've attempted to tell in this thread. I have shut down every embarrassing misinformed nonsense point you have attempted to make. What question have I not answered? There is not a single question in that post I just responded to. I can answer any bullshit question you could possibly ask me.

I have forgotten more about this field than Thomas Hauser, who is a boxing journalist, will ever know He doesn't know the first thing about this field.

Victor Conte is a connoisseur on this topic, never disputed that, I have all the respect in the world for Victor Conte in regards to his knowledge of the game, not so much his cheating past and moral compass on that but that's another topic. He has his personal issues with USADA due to their extensive history, which is fine. His criticisms of USADA are valid, as like any company they have made mistakes. That doesn't doesn't change the fact that USADA are a gold standard drug testing company and Victor wouldn't deny that either.

Fan boy Shut the fuck up you daft cunt. You've got not even the first idea what you're talking about and that is abundantly clear.

It's abundantly clear you're getting heated over Floyd......crystal clear. It's also clear you're making excuses for USADA. First off you don't know who knows more about this than you. You've claimed Hauser doesn't know anything. How do you know this? You've claimed Manny didn't agree to any testing when I posted a link showing a compromise. You're wrong again. You have never answered why Floyd was given an exemption for an illegal IV 3 weeks after him and Pac fought, while Aldo not answering why Pac was rejected a shot that was applied for BEFORE the fight. You haven't told me how many fighters in Mayweather's stable have been caught cheating by USADA when asked. So please stop with the whole "I answered everything " rubbish. I'd this what they call roid rage? Because you seem to be taking it personally with the insults. All you've done is make excuses. You're an expert? Why, because YOU say so? I don't doubt you have knowledge of steroids. But I'm pretty sure you're not an I sider to the dealings of USADA and professional boxers at the elite level. Am I wrong about that too. If so, please give us your credentials.