Top 10 Most OVERRATED Fighters

[GJC]

he certainly was no legally blind John Henry Lewis,and he certainly was no Jack Sharkey.

.Max Schmeiling is regarded as one of louis's greatest victories and in reality he wasn't as fresh as a daisy(not in the class of Patterson either).

For some odd reason,Billy Conn is generally regarded as a great win for Joe Louis,and when you look up on Ali's resume,you won't notice Bob Foster as one of his greatest victories.That right there tells you all you need to know.

floyd Patterson still had a working pulse when he returned,Schmeling didn't at the time,and Schmeiling wasn't that good to begin with.Which made Louis getting schooled the way he did even more embarrassing.

Poop,it is Poop isn't it? So I'm getting confused here, Joe Louis you rank as the 2nd greatest HW all time but he never beat anyone good?

I'm no fan of foster but he generally came up against superior heavyweights during his step up.

So Frazier is good then?

[StarshipTrooper]

You have no such legitimate list, dunce.Don't claim to have such either.The top 100 is always the the maxium as anything more just downgrades such rankings.

I'm no fan of foster but he generally came up against superior heavyweights during his step up.

floyd Patterson still had a working pulse when he returned,Schmeling didn't at the time,and Schmeiling wasn't that good to begin with.Which made Louis getting schooled the way he did even more embarrassing.



The fact that you would search for my posts and do this suggests how much I have really gotten into your head over the last few months.

Do tell us how Panama Lewis wasn't in Gatti's corner early on in his career and do tell us how James Toney had many more fights at 160 after Mccallum,forgotten them have you?

Slimeypoophead's latest alt red Ked, reported, and ignored.

Poet

[Obama]

floyd Patterson still had a working pulse when he returned,Schmeling didn't at the time,and Schmeiling wasn't that good to begin with.Which made Louis getting schooled the way he did even more embarrassing.

How does Schmeling go from best win of his career to "no working pulse" in 2 years, when he remained active as a fighter and didn't lose?

And would you like to poll the forum on who was better, Schemling or Patterson? I don't rate them far apart, #20 and #22 Heavyweights for me, but I'm positive people wouldn't overwhelmingly pick Patterson as the better fighter.

[donkim]

How does Schmeling go from best win of his career to "no working pulse" in 2 years, when he remained active as a fighter and didn't lose?

And would you like to poll the forum on who was better, Schemling or Patterson? I don't rate them far apart, #20 and #22 Heavyweights for me, but I'm positive people wouldn't overwhelmingly pick Patterson as the better fighter.

I never stated that he was shot,being over the hill isn't shot, dunce.but Max Schmeiling was regarded by most at the time as being past it and that is why him thumping Louis the way he did shocked everybody.


Start a poll if you like,and if the majority pick Schmeling as the better fighter,then I will happily leave this forum and never return.

[donkim]

Poop,it is Poop isn't it? So I'm getting confused here, Joe Louis you rank as the 2nd greatest HW all time but he never beat anyone good?

who's poop?

So Frazier is good then?

Sure he was good.I never said that he wasn't good.

[Obama]

floyd Patterson still had a working pulse when he returned,Schmeling didn't at the time

How does Schmeling go from best win of his career to "no working pulse" in 2 years

I never stated that he was shot

So "no working pulse" isn't as bad as shot?

Start a poll if you like,and if the majority pick Schmeling as the better fighter,then I will happily leave this forum and never return.

You'll alt your way to rigging the results before that, troll.

[Heru]

Johnson wasn't really a Heavyweight is the point. Prime Ali had 25 lbs on a prime Johnson. Yet big powerful guys like Sam McVea, the Mike Tyson of his day, were no problem for Johnson.

And resumes are more than just BEST wins, all wins count. Ali is very top heavy, but lacks the depth of Louis. It's not close either:

Louis
Charley Massera
Lee Ramage (x2)
Patsy Perroni
Don “Red” Barry
Natie Brown
Roy Lazer
Primo Carnera
King Levinsky
Max Baer
Paulino Uzcudun
Charley Retzlaff
Jack Sharkey
Al Ettore
Bob Pastor (x2)
Jim Braddock
Tommy Farr
Nathan Mann
Max Schmeling
John Henry Louis *Light Heavyweight Champion
“Two Ton” Toney Galento
Arturo Godoy (x2)
Johnny Paycheck
Red Burman
Gus Dorazio
Abe Simon (x2)
Tony Musto
Buddy Baer (x2)
Billy Conn (x2) *Light Heavyweight Champion
Lou Nova
Tami Mauriello
Jersey Joe Walcott (x2)
Lee Savold
Jimmy Bivins

33 respectable opponents.

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Ali
Doug Jones
Henry Cooper (x2)
Sonny Liston (x2)
Floyd Patterson (x2) <1st fight Past his prime> <2nd fight Over the hill>
George Chuvalo (x2) <2nd fight Over the hill>
Brian London
Karl Mildenberger
Cleveland Williams
Ernie Terrell
Zora Folley
Jerry Quarry (x2)
Oscar “Ringo” Bonavena
Jimmy Ellis
Buster Mathis
Joe Bugner (x2)
Ken Norton (x2)
Joe Frazier (x2)
George Foreman
Ron Lyle
Jimmy Young
Earnie Shavers
Leon Spinks

22 respectable opponents.

Like I said, not close. I also take into account the way the two fighters beat their opponents. Louis ran his over. Ali simply out lasted a lot of his. Most guys died of exhaustion before getting taken out by Ali. Then theirs the streak. Louis 25 defenses cannot be over looked.

Ali's opponent rankings

1962
Billy Daniels-#8
Archie Moore-9
1963
Doug Jones-3
Henry Cooper- #10 year before
1964
Sonny Liston
1965
Liston (Champion)
Floyd Patterson-2
1966
George Chuvalo-8
Brian London- 10 year before
Karl Mildenberg-5
Cleveland Williams- top 7 for 4 of 6 years before
1967
Ernie Terrell-10
Zora Folley- 2 year before
1970
Jerry Quarry-4
Oscar Bonavena-3
1971
Joe Frazier-Champion
1972
Mac Foster- 5 year before
Quarry- 2 year before
Patterson-5
1973
Ken Norton-3
Joe Bugner-8
1974
Frazier-2
George Foreman-Champion
1975
Chuck Wepner-9
Ron Lyle-5
Bugner-8
Frazier-3
1976
Jimmy Young-3
Norton-2
1977
Alfredo Evangelista-8
Earnie Shavers-6
1978
Leon Spinks-Champion

Keep in mind these are year end rankings, meaning after he beat them in that year (except for the champs). The ranking when he fought them was better.

How does Schmeling go from best win of his career to "no working pulse" in 2 years, when he remained active as a fighter and didn't lose?

And would you like to poll the forum on who was better, Schemling or Patterson? I don't rate them far apart, #20 and #22 Heavyweights for me, but I'm positive people wouldn't overwhelmingly pick Patterson as the better fighter.

What does it tell you when you're comparing Louis' best win against Ali's 4th best?

[Obama]

You just did Ali's opponent rankings without doing the same for Louis....there's no argument to be made there. Doing it for Louis however would take all day, so I'm not even suggesting it.

Also, Max Baer was Louis' best win, not Max Schmeling.

And when I compare Louis' 20th to 30th best wins to Ali's 20th to 30th, Louis opponents win in each and every matchup. Ali's first 20 compared to Louis' first 20 is only an Ali edge by 65-70% at best. If you do the math, this doesn't offset going 0 for 10 from 20-30.

[Heru]

You just did Ali's opponent rankings without doing the same for Louis....there's no argument to be made there. Doing it for Louis however would take all day, so I'm not even suggesting it.

Also, Max Baer was Louis' best win, not Max Schmeling.

And when I compare Louis' 20th to 30th best wins to Ali's 20th to 30th, Louis opponents win in each and every matchup. Ali's first 20 compared to Louis' first 20 is only an Ali edge by 65-70% at best. If you do the math, this doesn't offset going 0 for 10 from 20-30.

Heavyweights
July 1998 Ring Issue
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Evander Holyfield
4. George Foreman Ali
5. Larry Holmes
6. Rocky Marciano Louis
7. Sonny Liston Ali
8. Joe Frazier Ali
9. Jack Johnson
10. Jack Dempsey
11. Ezzard Charles Louis
12. Jim Jeffries
13. Jersey Joe Walcott Louis
14. Mike Tyson
15. Gene Tunney
16. Harry Wills
17. Sam Langford
18. John L. Sullivan
19. Max Schmeling Louis
20. Max Baer Louis

Ali 5-2 (4 KO) against 4 opponents in the top 10 GHOAT.

Louis 0-1 against 1 opponent from the top 10 GHOAT, 4-2 against the bottom half of the top 20. 4-3 (3 KO)

I'd do the same for Louis, but it'd take all day, but from what I've seen it's pretty much the same. I don't like this type of **** because these guys are the greatest, but Ali is the GHOAT.

[Obama]

Heavyweights
July 1998 Ring Issue
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Evander Holyfield
4. George Foreman Ali
5. Larry Holmes
6. Rocky Marciano Louis
7. Sonny Liston Ali
8. Joe Frazier Ali
9. Jack Johnson
10. Jack Dempsey
11. Ezzard Charles Louis
12. Jim Jeffries
13. Jersey Joe Walcott Louis
14. Mike Tyson
15. Gene Tunney
16. Harry Wills
17. Sam Langford
18. John L. Sullivan
19. Max Schmeling Louis
20. Max Baer Louis

Ali 5-2 (4 KO) against 4 opponents in the top 10 GHOAT.

Louis 0-1 against 1 opponent from the top 10 GHOAT, 4-2 against the bottom half of the top 20. 4-3 (3 KO)

I'd do the same for Louis, but it'd take all day, but from what I've seen it's pretty much the same. I don't like this type of **** because these guys are the greatest, but Ali is the GHOAT.

This comparison isn't remotely fair. It doesn't account for prime status of fighter / opponent at all.

Bottom line is Louis dominated his era more convincingly than Ali dominated his, based on official win/loss ratio and the manner in which the opponents were disposed. Ali fought in a better era, hence his best wins are better. That's not exactly Joe's fault. If Joe had the opportunity to fight Joe Frazier and Ken Norton, what do you think he'd do to them? Go life and death like Ali did? Highly unlikely.