Top 10 Most OVERRATED Fighters

[Stoppage]

I would quote everything you said and respond again but they'd all come down to the same thing. Different arguments with different opinions. I think it's safe to say that we should leave it as it is, since you're not going to make me admit that Leonard didn't duck Pryor.

Until I see an actual quote from Pryor admitting that he turned down the chance to fight Leonard, I won't believe it. I'm sure it's the same with you but with Leonard.

[prinzmanspoper]

1.) Joe Frazier - Entire legacy based off of one win over one past his prime fighter who lost to ring rust,and then two decisive losses to the very same man and two beat downs by the only puncher he ever faced and that's his legacy.Failed to fight the top heavyweights of his era,ducked virtually every puncher of his era and the two times that he did,he got put down eight times.Gets ranked in a position that he clearly isn't deserving of,

2.) Roberto Duran - Supposedly one of the most dominant champions of all time and yet failed to defend his title against the greatest contenders on a consistent basis,padded record consisting of no hopers and lost to bums like Kirkland Laing and Robbie Simms.There's an excuse for ever loss he ever suffered but the cold hard truth is that he just wasn't as good as his fanboys claimed.

3.) Aaron Pryor - Entire legacy is written by the newbs who watched HBO's legendary night series and bought into the ****** myths and lies such as Leonard and Hearns ducking this man.His resume is piss poor,with two wins over faded champions such as Cervantes and Arguello.He isn't p4p material and he isn't even the greatest in his own division,very overrated fighter.

4.) Gene Fullmer - Very similar situation with Frazier,entire legacy based off of two wins over Sugar Ray Robinson,who was a good five years past his prime the first time they fought.Two wins over a welterweight who was never an impressive middleweightt and he probably used his head more than he did his hands in those fights.Met Mr **** Tiger and boy did he get a wake up call.His style woudl fail miserably today,not so much because he was a one dimensional brawler,but because no legitimate official would tolerate his dirty tactics.

5.) James Toney - Very few fighters have as much of a padded record,benifited from so many gift decisions and recieved more chances than his fat slob,who at one time actually did have talent.His knockout victory over Michael Nunn is where his legacy started and where it ended.The greatest fighter he ever fought beat him on a landslide,it wasn't competitive,it wasn't close,Toney was brought in a glorified sparring partner and he got clowned.



Five will do for now.

6.) Salvador Sanchez - Harsh but true,his career and life ended unfortunately at the young age of 23,but his accomplishments and victories have been overblown to great porportions since his death,he wasn't that much of an accomplished fighter,certainly no great as he never had the chance to prove as such.His two greatest wins are over Wilfredo Gomez,a super bantamweight who was untested as a featherweight and a very young,very green Azumah Nelson,and at the time it wasn't a great win as Nelson had proven nothing at the time.Nelson despite his loss,will go down as the greater,more accomplished fighter in history

7.) Joe Louis - Devoid of a serious threat to his prime for the most part,most of the top challengers consisted of one dimensional slobs who were just made for Joe Louis.He met a faded counter puncher,near enough his prime and got taken to school and beaten down and out into submission,Louis would gain revenge but one can learn alot more from eleven rounds than they can one round.Twenty five successful title defenses and two black men.

8.) Marco Antonio Barrera - A very smart,calculated man and that played through into his boxing career,his greatest win was against Naseem Hamed,whom he waited three years before finally signing the contract,at this point Hamed was a shell of his former self.Dispathced in a mismatch against Pacquiao and fought to survive in the rematch.Barrera was knocked out by unhearalded Junio Jones who's chin had been found out by two journeymen in John Jackson and Darrly Pickney,so his chin was most certainly suspect and quitting against Amir Khan,you have to question his heart.

9.) Terry Norris - What do Ray Leonard,Meldrick Taylor,Donald Curry and John Mugabi have in common? Why they all happened to be washed up and they all happen to be Terry Norris's greatest wins.Never has a fighter ever benefited from a legacy of washed up victims as Terry Norris has.He attempted to add Simon Brown to his list of old timers but Terry Norris was exposed as having a glass jaw and suffered a humiliating defeat.Norris would fight just one top fighter in his prime and he would get knocked out in just the second round.

10.) Manny Pacquiao - Supposedly boxing's current p4p best and unfortunately many of the mainstream media agree with this.Many have spoken of Pacquiao's develoment as a fighter,how he has been able to develop his right hand to be as effective as his left hand,how he has matured into a smarter fighter who doesn't throw caution to the wind,tho they have neglected to mention Pacquiao's greatest development,and that is his match making ability.Pacquiao was exposed badly against a washed up Erik Morales,who still possesed enough left to expose Pacquiao as badly as he did,Pacquiao would beat a shot Erik Morales twice later on but not before Zahir Raheem was able to do so.Pacquiao was exposed in both fights with Juan Manuel Marquez,Marquez was knocked down three times in just one round but was able to come back and score a draw and was blatantly robbed in the rematch.Wins over a shot,washed up,weight drained Oscar De La Hoya and a overrated,faded Ricky Hatton do not confirm this mans greatness,rather expose how carefully matched he was

This was actually a very good list.I went into a little more detail than the rest of the jokers who simply listed a few fighters.

Quite hilarious that the one Duran apologist would list Sugar Ray Leonard and Wilfred Benitez on his list,two fiighters who clowned Duran quite badly.I'm sure he has an excuse just like his hero does for those two clowning sessions.

Until I see an actual quote from Pryor admitting that he turned down the chance to fight Leonard, I won't believe it. I'm sure it's the same with you but with Leonard.

funnily enough,there was a qoute from Pryor stating that he turned down the chance to fight Ray Leonard.There was also a thread made on it a month or so ago.

[GJC]

Pep was a legendary fighter, but with a rating undeserving of a power-deficient fighter.

Holyfield (is/was) good but not as good as many would have you believe. In his prime, Tyson would chewed him up and spat him out. (Bad metaphor, given what Mike did to his ear)

Sweet Pea was a bore with only defensive and no offensive skills to speak of. He was strictly a counter-puncher. If the other guy didn't initiate hostilities, they would stare at each other all night long...

It is the noble art of self defense?
Few different styles going, no one rates either Pep or Whitaker as a one punch KO artist it is their defensive skills that put them up the list.
Why not Billy Conn then following that theory?

[GJC]

7.) Joe Louis - Devoid of a serious threat to his prime for the most part,most of the top challengers consisted of one dimensional slobs who were just made for Joe Louis.He met a faded counter puncher,near enough his prime and got taken to school and beaten down and out into submission,Louis would gain revenge but one can learn alot more from eleven rounds than they can one round.Twenty five successful title defenses and two black men.

I thought you had Louis as a top 3 ATG HW in fact i'm pretty sure thats what you said when I asked you? If you have him as top 3 and I believe most have him top 2 behind Ali it's not a huge overrate is it?

[StarshipTrooper]

I thought you had Louis as a top 3 ATG HW in fact i'm pretty sure thats what you said when I asked you? If you have him as top 3 and I believe most have him top 2 behind Ali it's not a huge overrate is it?

You have to forgive the poor dolt: He's gotten his wires crossed and thought he was posting under his banned Slimey Limey alt

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

It is the noble art of self defense?
Few different styles going, no one rates either Pep or Whitaker as a one punch KO artist it is their defensive skills that put them up the list.
Why not Billy Conn then following that theory?

Where does he get Whitaker not having offensive skills from? Whitaker was fine offensively, very active in letting his hands go unlike Mayweather. I'm I supposed to believe that if a fighter doesn't have one puch KO power then he automatically doesn't have offensive skills?

Poet

[GJC]

10/. Tony Zale

Just goes to show how opinions differ I would be thinking of putting Zale in my over rated list to be honest. He was champion in a strong MW era but didn't fight many of the likes of Moore,Williams,Burley and La Motta.

[GJC]

You have to forgive the poor dolt: He's gotten his wires crossed and thought he was posting under his banned Slimey Limey alt

Poet

Which is why I made point of asking him his opinion of Louis and got the top 3 reply.

[Dynamite Kid]

You know what the irony is about Poopascoopa ? he tears down all these great fighters and yet he is a fan of the biggest hype/fraud of entire era, Naseem Hamed!!

[incredibleman]

You know what the irony is about Poopascoopa ? he tears down all these great fighters and yet he is a fan of the biggest hype/fraud of entire era, Naseem Hamed!!

Why are you posting in the history section? I thought idiots weren't allowed. Surely anyone who thinks he's overrated must be an idiot.