Top 20 heavyweights all time

[Bronson66]

[QUOTE=JAB5239;n32294715]

So what, no bet? Do you want me to do the homework and when I post it you leave? If that's the case I will. My point is, my OPINIONS align more with historians than yours, and the average time of their deaths would coincide with the time period I named. If you want answers from me you first have to provide what I've asked for and YOUR list. I have no need to defend my opinions to someone who can't post their own.

Eddie Futch named Ali,Louis,Johnson as his joint top three heavyweights of all time,but he is dead,[Oct10th 2001,] so that doesn't count.

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE=Dr. Z;n32294648]

Who are the dead men, and why don't you want to take the bet? It's not like you would never be able to post here if you lost, you'd just have to use an alt. I said from the very beginning that if you want to criticize my list than post your own. After that we can have an open discussion. And by the way, you shouldn't make things up. I haven't copies and pasted anyone's thoughts but my own.[/QUOTE



Nat Fleischer 1971 Johnson #1
Nigel Collins #6
Charlie Rose #2
Bert Sugar 2011 #3
Nate Loubet #4
Gilbert Od
Teddy Atlas #3
John Duran #2
Mike Casey #4
Terry Connolly #3
Bill Brennan (former WBA president) #4
Tyson Bruce #4
Arthur Harris #4
Matt Hamilton #3
Richard Obrien #5
Herb Goldman #6 ?
Steve Farhood #3
Traci Callis #2


The ones in red are deceased. Most of the others I have never heard of or didn't bother to look them up to check the obituaries. The youngest man on the list Is either Atlas or Farhood. They are alive. I am familiar with Callis and have conserved with the man before. I have heard of Casey, who is fantastic writer.

Now can you list you own thoughts. I have a list of 50 names to post when you first answer my question with your own thoughts. I promise its is rather detailed..

Once again why do you think, not 65+ year old men or the deceased men thoughts. All of the living names never saw Johnson alive and unless they are boxing film guru's have not seen what I have.

So what, no bet? Do you want me to do the homework and when I post it you leave? If that's the case I will. My point is, my OPINIONS align more with historians than yours, and the average time of their deaths would coincide with the time period I named. If you want answers from me you first have to provide what I've asked for and YOUR list. I have no need to defend my opinions to someone who can't post their own. Your hatred of Johnson is well documented, so if you don't like the terms to bad, so sad.

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE=Bronson66;n32294718]

Eddie Futch named Ali,Louis,Johnson as his joint top three heavyweights of all time,but he is dead,[Oct10th 2001,] so that doesn't count.

He's ridiculous. I think we all know what he's doing, he just wants to create a smear campaign against Johnson. If he didn't he'd post his own list and maybe we could find an in between. Fact is, in the last 30 years I've never seen Johnson bumped from the top 10 on any credible list even with the additions of Tyson (some don't have top 10), Holyfield (some don't have top 10) Lewis and Wlad (some don't have top 10).

[JAB5239]

my post count is irrelevant. Your constant agenda pushing isn't, nor is your constant derailing of threads with your anti-fighter crusades and petty juvenile fighting. If you're going to peddle bullsh* t at least you could do is be honest and upfront about it instead denigrating fighters and blowing dog whistles. But you're incapable of honesty and i suspect if you were open about where you're coming from you'd cop a ban very quickly. I've told you before: I've been on sports forums a long time and i've seen your kind from day 1. You aren't original and if i've seen one of you i've seen all of you: You're all the same in the end, and you're all a waste of my time.

exactly!!!

[Biledriver]

You are definitely an Alt! lol

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[Bronson66]

[QUOTE=JAB5239;n32294730]

He's ridiculous. I think we all know what he's doing, he just wants to create a smear campaign against Johnson. If he didn't he'd post his own list and maybe we could find an in between. Fact is, in the last 30 years I've never seen Johnson bumped from the top 10 on any credible list even with the additions of Tyson (some don't have top 10), Holyfield (some don't have top 10) Lewis and Wlad (some don't have top 10).

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[Dr. Z]

My post count is irrelevant. Your constant agenda pushing isn't, nor is your constant derailing of threads with your anti-fighter crusades and petty juvenile fighting. If you're going to peddle bullsh* t at least you could do is be honest and upfront about it instead denigrating fighters and blowing dog whistles. But you're incapable of honesty and I suspect if you were open about where you're coming from you'd cop a ban very quickly. I've told you before: I've been on sports forums a LONG time and I've seen your kind from day 1. You aren't original and if I've seen one of you I've seen ALL of you: You're all the same in the end, and you're all a waste of my time.

Bye troll with 20 total posts. Way to have have an agenda against somebody who said nothing about you. Suddenly you name appears? Why isn't that a surprise. Odds are you are just an alt, and I typically don't talk to them.

My best guess is you will be gone soon. You first post was 06-10-2024 according to a search. I wonder who was banned around that time

[Bronson66]

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Top 12 All-Time Greatest Heavyweights: Ranking Boxing's Best Big Men (thefightcity.com)

[Bronson66]

All are welcome to criticize, this is my opinion though. You're probably not going to change my mind, but If you're going to try, at least post your own top 20 so we're on an even playing field.

My list is based on resume, level of competition and longevity. Head to head is completely irrelevant when it comes to ranking fighters because it simply isn't something you can apply as factual.

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Larry Holmes
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Jack Johnson
6. George Foreman
7. Mike Tyson
8. Sonny Liston
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Wladimir Klitschko
11. Rocky Marciano
12. Joe Frazier
13. Harry Wills
14. Jack Dempsey
15. Ezzard Charles
16. Ken Norton
17. Joe Wlacott
18. Sam Langford
19. Jim Jeffries
20. Rid**** Bowe

Honorable mention: Oleksander Usyk, Joe Jeannette, Tyson Fury, Max Schmeling, Vitali Klitschko.

I expect Usyk to move up this list before his career is over barring a move back down to Cruiserweight.

Cliff Rold's list.
The Top 25 Heavyweights of All-Time – Top Ten - Boxing News (boxingscene.com)

[Bronson66]

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Jack Johnson
3. Larry Holmes
4. Lennox Lewis
5 Sonny Liston
6. Joe Louis
7. George Foreman
8. Mike Tyson
9 Gene Tunney
10 Jack Dempsey
11 Rocky Marciano
12. Joe Frazier
13 Evander Holyfield
14 Jim Corbett
15. Jim Jefferies
16. Riddick Bowe
17. Alex Usyk
18. Langford
19. Joe Walcott
20. Ezzard Charles

Honorable Mention: Wladimir Klitschko, Floyd Patterson, Max Schmeling, Tyson Fury

My list is probably hated too.

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