The Fight That Guaranteed A HOFer's Spot In The IBHOF

[Eff Pandas]

I don't believe you can actually do what the thread calls for, and I think Mancini is a good example.

Theres a million threads about some guy from 1940 fighting a guy from 1992 in some space time vacuum, but somehow saying Ali would have been guaranteed a HOF spot after the Foreman W if he retired is some impossible to imagine task? Gtfo of here bro.

[Eff Pandas]

He simply does NOT have the resume to be considered an ATG, but yet he belongs in the Hall of Fame. He made the fight game more enjoyable, brought more fans to the game, and displayed, in spades, all the wonderful character attributes we embrace. He deserves to be singled out as special.

The fact remains he's in the HOF & surely some moments lead to that happening, rightfully or wrongfully. And sh^t I'd agree he shouldn't be in the HOF, but again factually he is & they didn't draw straws to put him there.

And I do suspect his popularity at the time & maybe even his all-american white guy look played into it too idk, but you gotta do some sh^t in the ring too.

[DeeMoney]

The fact remains he's in the HOF & surely some moments lead to that happening, rightfully or wrongfully. And sh^t I'd agree he shouldn't be in the HOF, but again factually he is & they didn't draw straws to put him there.

And I do suspect his popularity at the time & maybe even his all-american white guy look played into it too idk, but you gotta do some sh^t in the ring too.

I wonder if his HOF candidacy was only successful due to post career work? If you take away his movies and popularity outside the ring after he stops fighting does he make it in?

I hate to write that, because it is a very good question, and I think that people might use this argument for many that don't deserve it. But maybe this is the case with Mancini

[Eff Pandas]

I wonder if his HOF candidacy was only successful due to post career work? If you take away his movies and popularity outside the ring after he stops fighting does he make it in?

I hate to write that, because it is a very good question, and I think that people might use this argument for many that don't deserve it. But maybe this is the case with Mancini

Yea I'd agree out of ring stuff could have impact, even post-boxing career. For another example I think its possible Ali's social stands that led to him being removed from boxing for awhile might have led to being a HOFer if he never returned along with how well he had done in a short but highly successful career up to that point + being in a glamor division of HW probably helps too.

[Willie Pep 229]

I wonder what the break down of inductees by weight class is?

Would need to stay away from pre-1920 entries but from 1920 to presents I SUSPECT there is going to be a disaportinate numbers of HWs.

[max baer]

Sorry for intruding but I always felt that out-working an opponent implied that the one fighter threw more punches, but didn't necessarily land more punches.

But this also implied that the opponent wasn't landing much either, so the judges go with the guy whom they thought 'made the fight.'

Sought of an alterative scoring for a fight where neither fighter lands much; neither fighter lands any telling blows.

At least that's how I always interpreted the phrase.

Not sure I agree with the concept. I believe close rounds should be called even.

I may be the only person who agreed with judge Angelo Poletti who called ten rounds even in Duran-Lronard I. Although most would argue that Duran "out-worked" Leonard that night.

It is also clinching I thought I would add to this debate.

https://www.quora.com/In-boxing-does-clinching-your-opponent-lose-you-points

i read this about clinching.
ali did wonderful clinching against foreman as we all love to watch again and again he outsmarted foreman. outsmarting could be another way to put it.

[kara]

I'd say AJ.

Agreed.

[QueensburyRules]

It is also clinching I thought I would add to this debate.

https://www.quora.com/In-boxing-does-clinching-your-opponent-lose-you-points

i read this about clinching.
ali did wonderful clinching against foreman as we all love to watch again and again he outsmarted foreman. outsmarting could be another way to put it.

- - It weren't smart unless you count being physically and mentally impaired for the rest of your life as we sadly had to witness.

[Willow The Wisp]

I would like to hear which fight got Ray Mancini into the HOF.

With him, fame and marketability were the driving forces. American, English speaking, white, bright & polite. S.I. covers, multiple network appearences and a Great back story. These things only tangentially affect greatness, but directly affect FAME. When Warren Zevon writes a song about Artur Beterbiev and a made for TV movie comes out on the life of Terrence Crawford; let me know.

Aside from that, Jose Luis Ramirez, Arturo Frias and Bobby Chacon are respectable scalps.

[Willow The Wisp]

I get what you are writing there, but thats what I think is fun about this post. When exactly does "time Served" (good phrase) kick in? Ortiz 1?

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