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    Not an AT list, just some guys I could quickly recall who might belong there. There are so many left out. Feel free to add anyone else you can think of. Who is the KOR?

    No time time limit on the poll, it will grow with the centuries. I wish there was an option that allowed one to change their vote when their knowledge had perhaps broadened.

    6
    Arturo Gatti
    33.33%
    2
    Matt Franklin
    0%
    0
    Rocky Marciano
    33.33%
    2
    Mickey Ward
    0%
    0
    Jake Lamotta
    0%
    0
    Israel Vasquez
    0%
    0
    George Chuvalo
    0%
    0
    Rafael Marquez
    0%
    0
    Carmen Basilio
    0%
    0
    Ali
    33.33%
    2

  • #2
    Larry Holmes would be my pick, if he were on the list. Since he isn't, I'll go with Ali.

    Fury would have been a decent choice as well.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Slugfester View Post
      Not an AT list, just some guys I could quickly recall who might belong there. There are so many left out. Feel free to add anyone else you can think of. Who is the KOR?

      No time time limit on the poll, it will grow with the centuries. I wish there was an option that allowed one to change their vote when their knowledge had perhaps broadened.
      Holmes


      Ali
      Saad
      Fury

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      • #4
        - - Big George, Dempsey, Hagler…dozens more like Chuvalo, Cobb, McCall ad Infiniti’s…

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ivich View Post

          Holmes


          Ali
          Saad
          Fury
          Trinidad., Went down like 15 times in his career it seems. Juan Manuel Marquez too.

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          • #6
            In order to qualify one must have taken a pretty good beating and come back through exhaustion. That is one of my criteria.

            Marciano on my list was somewhat honorary. He never took a horrible beating or apparently even got tired enough to make the list for real. He was good enough that he never had to. He probably could have come back against anything but never had to. He showed just how far he would go to win when Charles laid his nose open like a suitcase.

            Matt Franklin could come back from what seemed near death. He compiled the best and toughest ledger I believe I know of. He fought

            Mate Parlov (2)
            Marvin Camel (3)
            Eddie Gregory
            Marvin Johnson (2)
            Billy Douglas
            Yaqui Lopez (2)
            John Conteh (2)
            Lottie Mwale
            Murray Sutherland
            Dwight Braxton (2)


            I think every one of those fighters were, or had been, at least champions of their continent or country. That is 17 fights out of 59 with that kind of competition. And if you have never witnessed a Franklin comeback i is frightening.




            Last edited by Slugfester; 12-19-2023, 06:12 PM.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Slugfester View Post
              In order to qualify one must have taken a pretty good beating and come back through exhaustion. That is one of my criteria.

              Marciano on my list was somewhat honorary. He never took a horrible beating or apparently even got tired enough to make the list for real. He was good enough that he never had to. He probably could have come back against anything but never had to. He showed just how far he would go to win when Charles laid his nose open like a suitcase.

              Matt Franklin could come back from what seemed near death. He compiled the best and toughest ledger I believe I know of. He fought

              Mate Parlov (2)
              Marvin Camel (3)
              Eddie Gregory
              Marvin Johnson (2)
              Billy Douglas
              Yaqui Lopez (2)
              John Conteh (2)
              Lottie Mwale
              Murray Sutherland
              Dwight Braxton (2)


              I think every one of those fighters were, or had been, at least champions of their continent or country. That is 17 fights out of 59 with that kind of competition. And if you have never witnessed a Franklin comeback i is frightening.



              Saad is a good choice for taking a licking and keeping on ticking,keeping on ticking long enough to win.

              Holmes is a good choice for taking a hellacious shot and coming back to defeat his man.

              Jim Jeffries took a beating from Fitz in their second fight,but Fitz's hands went on him ,so there is some doubt as to how the outcome would have played out if they had not,imo.

              Joe Jeannette should be in the frame here too.

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              • #8
                I like Saad as a choice as well.

                I have a problem with Chuvalo being on the list. This might sound like mere word play but can one be crowned King of Recuperation if one never seems to actually be hurt?

                Foreman lifted Chuvalo off his feet and no doubt he would have fallen down had not the ropes caught him, but the SOB took Big George Foreman's vicious upper cut actually had both feet leave the canvas, and then still come down upright.

                If the title was "Iron Man" I'd say Chuvalo is the guy.

                P.S. Same thing applies to Randal Cobb. He's an iron man too, but no clue if he had any recuperation capabilities. I never saw him hurt.
                Last edited by Willie Pep 229; 12-19-2023, 07:34 PM.
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                • #9
                  I also have a problem with Jake La Motta being on the list as well.

                  I realize this statement sounds like heresy to a boxing community but . . .

                  Is this reputation built on one fight, the comeback against Dauthuille?

                  Is it possible that the truth about La Motta was that he was a defensive wizard who was hard to hit clean?

                  Not hard to hit like Willie Pep, but hard to hit cleanly, like Duran was.

                  La Motta goes 60 plus rounds with SRR before he is finally dominated and that is only over one round of fighting (second half of the 12th and first half of the 13th) and he doesn't comeback from that beating.

                  So take out the Dauthuille fight and what is left, a fighter who goes 60 rounds with SRR and doesn't take a beating? I say that guy has to be hard to hit cleanly.

                  In contrast look at Basilio. Now here's a guy who led with his face and after 15 rounds with SRR he looked like hell. Basilio belongs on the list.

                  But has anyone seen La Motta take a beating except for the one round of the St. Valentine's Day Massacre?

                  I think the comeback reputation is based on one fight, and the willingness to take a beating is based on not going down in the 13th. Then it was made legendary by the film Raging Bull.

                  I don't think La Motta was a tough guy fighter, I think he was a very good boxer.
                  Last edited by Willie Pep 229; 12-19-2023, 07:31 PM.

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                  • #10
                    How about Dempsey?

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