What Is The Minimum Number Of Fights To Be Considered An ATG?

[YGriffith]

No, we don't count amateurs, where one of the Willies said they do not even allow ducking a punch and they do their best to keep a fight from breaking out.

For the number I have in mind, their will be no time for dawdling on the margins. Our boy will have to start right out with good opponents, moving briskly along to so-called elites, near-greats, greats and ATGs, if there are any handy.

I once got disqualified for bending at the waist and i was like wtf??

[Ivich]

I once got disqualified for bending at the waist and i was like wtf??

UK pros are not allowed to bend lower than the belt line.Marciano would have been in trouble in a UK ring.

[QueensburyRules]

Dempsey 14 years as a pro. 5 title defenses. Not an all time great to me.

- - Whoops a cheepo hustler any day and twice on Sundays...

[Ivich]

Dempsey 14 years as a pro. 5 title defenses. Not an all time great to me.

Gene Tunney 13 years as a pro, 2 title defences.
Mickey Walker 16 years as a pro,4 title defences.
Tony Zale 14 years as a pro, 4 title defences.
Jim Jeffries 15 years as a pro ,7 title defences.
Jim Corbett 17 years as a pro, 2 title defences.
Jake Lamotta 17 years as a pro, 2 title defences.

[Hustle]

Gene Tunney 13 years as a pro, 2 title defences.
Mickey Walker 16 years as a pro,4 title defences.
Tony Zale 14 years as a pro, 4 title defences.
Jim Jeffries 15 years as a pro ,7 title defences.
Jim Corbett 17 years as a pro, 2 title defences.
Jake Lamotta 17 years as a pro, 2 title defences.

a bunch of bums who avoided black fighters

[IronDanHamza]

a bunch of bums who avoided black fighters

Jake Lamotta avoided black fighters? Not sure about that one.

[Hustle]

Jake Lamotta avoided black fighters? Not sure about that one.

You chose 1 out of 6 that was listed.

I think my point stands

[IronDanHamza]

You chose 1 out of 6 that was listed.

I think my point stands

Well, just because that was the most bizarre one.

[Hustle]

Well, just because that was the most bizarre one.

He was just linked in with the others..... He caught a stray

[The D3vil]

Wow, that's a great question.

I hate to be that guy, but the answer is "it depends"

It depends on whether you mean an ATG for a certain weight class or a P4P ATG

Probably, the ATG P4P fighter with the least amount of fights is Sugar Ray Leonard, who had 40.

Oscar De La Hoya had 45

I think Salvador Sanchez had 44?

So, I guess the answer to P4P ATG is 40?

But, I will say that Vasyl Lomachenko was pretty close to being seen as a P4P ATG in like his 14th, 15th fight.

If he had say (god forbid) passed away fighting in Ukraine before the Haney fight, he would probably have been the guy winning all kinds of mythical matchups against everybody from 126-135 & be considered a top 40-50 P4P level fighter.

Now, to be P4P ATG at a certain weight class is another story whatsoever

To be considered P4P in one of the original 8 weight classes takes a lot because you've got 140 years of fighters you're competing with.

The guys who I can think of with the smallest amounts of fights, who are considered ATGs at an original weight class would probably be Michael Spinks with 32 fights, most of those at 175

At the newer weight classes, I think Usyk was considered by most the 2nd greatest Cruiser ever after Holyfield with less than 20 fights.

Loma's probably considered an ATG at 130 with less than 20 fights as well.

So, it's complicated