Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey. Mixed legacies, dubious wins/ draws and lot of ducks?

[Ivich]

If that's true, then how did he continue sparring?

Smith himself said Johnson was down a few seconds. You can't be TKO'd in sparring. You're trying too hard. Your other post about this that gave quotations directly from Smith undercut your argument here.

Smith never got a title shot because he didn't earn one. You're just still upset because Johnson beat the tar out of your idol.

Dr Duck won't ever quit with this.Smith himself, in a taped interview never claimed to have tko'd Johnson.As you said Johnson sparred 2 rounds each with three other partners after this.
Pollack's 2 vol on Johnson deals sensibly with this, most reporters who were actually present never mentioned a KD.Johnson's manager said they had neglected to put resin down on the canvas.

Whatever happened ,and lets for arguments sake, say Smith knocked Johnson down, its no big deal fighters are floored in sparring,
For exampleTyson v Page , Vitali v Walker and Butler .Marciano was left hooked to the floor by Toxie Hall and his trainer Charley Goldman sent Rocky for a shower ,these were not tko's and neither was the Johnson one.

You have hit the nail on the head as to why Dr Duck has continued a perpetual hate crusade against Johnson.Johnson beat the living crap out of his idol Jeffries. carrying for 15 rds to punish him for ducking him and all his racist remarks.

Let the hating fool carry on ,all he does is discredit himself.

[Ivich]

I am not a green horn I grew up eating dried, salted, garlic pasted venison. Wild bird sounds great and I have had rabbit.

But a slug is a slug.

Yes it is ,but it isn't a snail! lol

[Ivich]

Just one? From 1908-1915.

How about Jim Flynn who Jack Johnson gave a title shot to.




Or How about Gunboat Smith who TKO'd Johnson in a 4 round ex.

And Battling Levinsky , he only made the hall of fame.

That is three me from 1908-1915. Four if we count Jeff Clark.

They all deserved a shot over some of the weak fighter Johnson gave title shots to.

Duck, duck, duck... Johnson.

You do amuse me, old man in a sad type of way. Keep posting please. And my threads are not deigned for you or support .

- Dr. Z

Langford was up to 30lbs overweight according to Clay Moyle.

For the rematch Sam was in shape.
"Gunnah,ah'm in puffect shape t'night".
Langford dropped Smith for a 7 count with a right hook in the 1st,floored him twice in the 2nd,then dropped him in the 3rd and many though he stayed down rather than face more punishment.
That's the man you think Johnson should have fought? Carpentier who said he was too small to fight Johnson,Carpentier floored Smith who hit him while he was down and was dsq/d.

During Johnson's title reign Smith lost to;
Langford by ko
Dillon 170lbs
Carpentier 170lbs
Martin
Langford
Both of whom Johnson beat.
And he also lost to journeymen.
Geyer
Flynn[Porky]
Steward
Miller
Clark's signature win over Langford came after Johnson had lost his title,but you still want to claim it?lol
NB Dillon beat
Flynn
Levinsky
After Johnson had lost his title! lol

[Dr. Z]

Dr Duck won't ever quit with this.Smith himself, in a taped interview never claimed to have tko'd Johnson.As you said Johnson sparred 2 rounds each with three other partners after this.
Pollack's 2 vol on Johnson deals sensibly with this, most reporters who were actually present never mentioned a KD.Johnson's manager said they had neglected to put resin down on the canvas.

Whatever happened ,and lets for arguments sake, say Smith knocked Johnson down, its no big deal fighters are floored in sparring,
For exampleTyson v Page , Vitali v Walker and Butler .Marciano was left hooked to the floor by Toxie Hall and his trainer Charley Goldman sent Rocky for a shower ,these were not tko's and neither was the Johnson one.

You have hit the nail on the head as to why Dr Duck has continued a perpetual hate crusade against Johnson.Johnson beat the living crap out of his idol Jeffries. carrying for 15 rds to punish him for ducking him and all his racist remarks.

Let the hating fool carry on ,all he does is discredit himself.

And Smith also said and he never forgot it referring the punch that folded Johnson and knocked down and left him silly! You are a sad clown.

What does Vitali have to do with this thread??? Now he had an excellent chin and was never floored as a pro. Johnson was knocked out and down and outboxed by super middle weight / light heavyweights. Facts. Really he would be lucky to last four rounds vs. Vitali.

Duck, duck, duck

Yeah fool, I'm discrediting myself with facts! You are a joke.

[Ivich]

And Smith also said and he never forgot it referring the punch that folded Johnson and knocked down and left him silly! You are a sad clown.

What does Vitali have to do with this thread??? Now he had an excellent chin and was never floored as a pro. Johnson was knocked out and down and outboxed by supper middle weight / light heavyweights. Facts. Really he would be lucky to last four rounds vs. Vitali.

Duck, duck, duck

Yeah fool, I'm discrediting myself with facts! You are a joke.

Smith tko'd Johnson your "fact" You cannot be tko'd in a sparring session.Fact.

Johnson was knocked silly by Smith,your "fact" ,Johnson sparred a further 6 rds with 3 different sparring partners Fact.

Johnson went 26 rds at the age of 37, with 6 foot 6 in Willard and was ahead at the time of the stoppage.Fact.

What weight is a supper weight?lol