Roy Jones Jr.'s Legacy

[mickey malone]

Well if he's that great, why did he lose (convincingly) to Joe Calzaghe who was only 4 years younger with 2 (many times broken) slapping hands??

Why did he ruin his longevity to show off against one of the biggest wankers (Johnny Louise) the HW division has ever seen, only to come back down to L/H & get whacked out by Glenn Johnson (20-30 on all sensible lists) & Tarver, who's made a career out of 20 something fights & a Rocky movie..

All said, he was the best MW/SMW I've ever seen, but his order in 'Greatness' needs some serious evaluation..

[Dynamite Kid]

Look here Allentown, maybe you should make a list of the 20 guys ahead of him and the 20 guys right after him to show you have a clue about how many great fighters there have been.

As far as seeing fights goes, seen them. Roy got the nod, I don't argue with it too much, but it was far from a decisive victory and it could have easily gone the other way.



Eubank had just put Watson in a coma. He was psychologically disturbed and never got the fire in his belly again.

The win over Benn in '96 means little. He was done as a top fighter after McClellan.



Reggie Johnson was over the hill against Jones. And Steve Collins fans would beg to differ on the outcome of that fight, albeit I thought Johnson won.



What did Tarver do to Harding in the rematch? Given the adversity Tarver went through in the first fight, he gets a pass.



You're right, he was past his prime and had already been dethroned by the guy Jones should have fought instead, Dariusz M.



Griffin got 2 gifts. There was no out boxing in either fight, there was only out hustling, and only in the first fight. Your boy Timothy Bradley also out hustles people. Did you think he was out boxing Nate Campbell, or out boxed Kendall Holt? If so, you don't know what out boxing means at all.



At least you're on point here.



Dariusz M fell off, what can I say? He was clearly better than Gonzalez in his prime. His problem was he tried to chase Rocky's number, always a mistake.

Eubank had put Watson in a coma so he could not dominate Malinga with his Boxing skills? sounds like an excuses to me. Bottom line is he he won a SD whilst Jones knocked him out.

I dont think it matters that Benn lost to Malinga after the McClellan fight, Malinga handled him before that but got jobbed, once again Jones knocked Malinga out.

Well Steve Collins fans dont know how to score a fight because Reggie Johnson was giving it to Steve Collins by the end of that fight, infact he might have stopped him had it been a 15 round fight because he also hurt him towards the end.

He gets a pass because HARDING broke his rib, he did not enter the ring like that Harding broke his rib so he gets full credit for that, plus he was winning the fight anyway before Tarver went down.


Griffin got two gifts decision if you believe everything that comes through on the HBO telecast, but if you actually watch the fight without taking in all the BS Griffin won the first fight, he ring generaled James Toney. The second fight was debatable as i said but please!!! dont act like James Toney was robbed. I bet in 24 rounds neither Griffin nor Toney won many rounds decisively, that were the kind of fights they were, they were both low contact fights with little to choose between.

[Obama]

Yea it's an excuse for Eubank, a GOOD exuse. They do exist you know. Facts are facts and he was never the same fighter again. His record before/after speaks for itself.

Also, you got the Harding vs Tarver fight all wrong. From hbo.com:

Tarver, then undefeated in 16 fights, suffered his first professional defeat at the hands of Eric Harding.

In a hard-fought, 12-round title eliminator, Tarver dominated the first half of the bout. After having his jaw broken in the ninth round, however, it became an uphill battle. Harding finished strong, knocking Tarver down in the 11th round en route to winning by decision. Although it was a tough defeat to swallow, Tarver displayed the heart of a champion.

"I am not making excuses, but, if you look at the fight, I dominated until my jaw got broke," Tarver said. "With the broken jaw, I was unable to finish as strongly as I wanted to. Look at the first nine rounds. It is obvious who the better fighter was."

[Dynamite Kid]

Yea it's an excuse for Eubank, a GOOD exuse. They do exist you know. Facts are facts and he was never the same fighter again. His record before/after speaks for itself.

Also, you got the Harding vs Tarver fight all wrong. From hbo.com:

That is not a fact its an opinion, whats a fact is that he won a SD.


I dont care what HBO's interpretation of the fight was ive seen the fight myself so i dont really care how someone else viewed it, Harding was infront on my card before Tarver went down, it was a very close fight but Harding's counter punching was a little sharper than Tarver's throughout.

Bob Papa commentated on the telecast i saw and he had it about the same

[Obama]

That is not a fact its an opinion, whats a fact is that he won a SD.


I dont care what HBO's interpretation of the fight was ive seen the fight myself so i dont really care how someone else viewed it, Harding was infront on my card before Tarver went down, it was a very close fight but Harding's counter punching was a little sharper than Tarver's throughout.

Bob Papa commentated on the telecast i saw and he had it about the same

You said he broke Tarver's ribs, not jaw. Yet you've seen the fight? I find your analysis of bouts in general to be highly questionable...

[Dynamite Kid]

In a hard-fought, 12-round title eliminator,

The fact that the article says it was a hard fought battle lets you know about the reliability of the person that write it, it was a boring tactical fight for majority of the way with very few punches in the rounds.

You should do yourself a favour and you know, actually watch the fight yourself instead of nit picking what i post and using HBO's interpretation so you can diss Jones's resume some more.

Watch that fight and you will come back and tell me it was a tactical low contact fight most of the way, that what kind of fight it was.

[Obama]

In a hard-fought, 12-round title eliminator,

The fact that the article says it was a hard fought battle lets you know about the reliability of the person that write it, it was a boring tactical fight for majority of the way with very few punches in the rounds.

You should do yourself a favour and you know, actually watch the fight yourself instead of nit picking what i post and using HBO's interpretation so you can diss Jones's resume some more.

Watch that fight and you will come back and tell me it was a tactical low contact fight most of the way, that what kind of fight it was.

Stop telling me to watch fights I've seen. You've already poorly scored plenty of other fights I highly disagree with, why should this be any different?

Do YOURSELF a favor and stifle. Also, hard fought has nothing to do with whether the fight was entertaining.

[Dynamite Kid]

You said he broke Tarver's ribs, not jaw. Yet you've seen the fight? I find your analysis of bouts in general to be highly questionable...

I mistyped and put jaw instead of rib, infact i did not even know mistyped jaw until you just said.

Question it all you like im not one of these morons that speaks about fights ive not seen because that is just silly. I watched Tarver vs Johnson, Harding on the same night.

I posted earlier that i had not seen the Toney vs Glen Thomas fight, guess what ive just finished watching about 15 min ago, Toney vs Thomas.

[Dynamite Kid]

Stop telling me to watch fights I've seen. You've already poorly scored plenty of other fights I highly disagree with, why should this be any different?

Do YOURSELF a favor and stifle. Also, hard fought has nothing to do with whether the fight was entertaining.

You have seen it but you are pulling HBO articles out your ass instead of telling me what you!! think happened, of coarse now you will scour the net looking for a read up and give me your interpretation lol

How can ive scored Toney v Griffin, Harding v Tarver poorly when they were both low contact fights with very little to choose between round by round, i realize it was a close fight where you can argue Toney won but it was not a robbery and i had Griffin winning myself, yet you call Toney vs Griffin a robbery even though it was a low contact fight with little to choose between the two. Im not poor at scoring fights its just i dont get swept along like a lemming with what HBO telecasts say or articles written by HBO about a fight nor do i exaggerate and call tactical fights hard fought.

I stand by what i said about the fight because ive seen it and anyone who reads my post about the fight and watches it will no it was a tactical fight, not hard fought i would not argue if someone had Tarver infront because it was that kind of fight where the rounds were so tight that they could of swung one way or another, but to say Tarver was winning clearly is ******. I had Harding winning a close fight but the KD sealed the deal.

[Obama]

You have seen it but you are pulling HBO articles out your ass instead of telling me what you!! think happened, of coarse now you will scour the net looking for a read up and give me your interpretation lol

How can ive scored Toney v Griffin, Harding v Tarver poorly when they were both low contact fights with very little to choose between round by round, i realize it was a close fight where you can argue Toney won but it was not a robbery and i had Griffin winning myself, yet you call Toney vs Griffin a robbery even though it was a low contact fight with little to choose between the two. Im not poor at scoring fights its just i dont get swept along like a lemming with what HBO telecasts say or articles written by HBO about a fight nor do i exaggerate and call tactical fights hard fought.

I stand by what i said about the fight because ive seen it and anyone who reads my post about the fight and watches it will no it was a tactical fight, not hard fought i would not argue if someone had Tarver infront because it was that kind of fight where the rounds were so tight that they could of swung one way or another, but to say Tarver was winning clearly is ******. I had Harding winning a close fight but the KD sealed the deal.

You know, 50% of the problem with you is you don't understand what I tell you, or why I tell you it. I can't argue with a guy that doesn't even understand my position.