Roy Jones Jr.'s Legacy

[Benncollinsaad]

And I don't wanna win no exchange with you, I just wanna get rid of you.

[Stoppage]

Thats EXACTLY what you are doing! We all know you are a B-Hop nuthugger and thug-wannabe, so do us all a favor-zip up.

Youre a VERY biased guy and a hater. You are hating on Calzaghe because he beat your gangsta-rolemodel B-Hop.

I'm a nuthugger because I, along with virtually everyone, thinks he beats Calzaghe in his prime?

Don't get me wrong, I watched the Calzaghe vs Hopkins fight and thought Calzaghe edged it out for the victory. But I'm also smart and realize that, prime for prime, Hopkins would wreck Calzaghe.

Like for real, I doubt you even watch entire boxing matches. You probably base your opinions off of highlight videos and www.boxrec.com.

[Benncollinsaad]

I'm a nuthugger because I, along with virtually everyone, thinks he beats Calzaghe in his prime?

Don't get me wrong, I watched the Calzaghe vs Hopkins fight and thought Calzaghe edged it out for the victory. But I'm also smart and realize that, prime for prime, Hopkins would wreck Calzaghe.

Like for real, I doubt you even watch entire boxing matches. You probably base your opinions off of highlight videos and www.boxrec.com.

Virtually everyone on THIS BOARD, you mean? Wow! I got scared now.

[Stoppage]

Virtually everyone on THIS BOARD, you mean? Wow! I got scared now.

You can make inside jokes of doubt to yourself all you want. Your posts are worthless. I can easily assure myself that your posts don't affect my opinion.

[Benncollinsaad]

You can make inside jokes of doubt to yourself all you want. Your posts are worthless. I can easily assure myself that your posts don't affect my opinion.

This fuqing guy won't quit. Look sweetheart, sorry I hurt your feelings but you are talking pure crap and every REAL expert would tell you that there is NO WAY a prime Hopkins would wreck Joe Calzaghe. If so, why did he never call him out during the late 90's and early 00's?? Both guys were in their primes then.

No, instead the fake ****** hood waited for the right time, when he thought Calz was weakened after the Kessler fight and when he was old enough to be a "safe fight" for him. And he HAD to attack him verbally first, downgrading him as a fighter. Something Joe would never do.

[Stoppage]

This fuqing guy won't quit. Look sweetheart, sorry I hurt your feelings but you are talking pure crap and every REAL expert would tell you that there is NO WAY a prime Hopkins would wreck Joe Calzaghe. If so, why did he never call him out during the late 90's and early 00's?? Both guys were in their primes then.

Are the real experts actually real? Or do they consist of your collectible action figures you play with in the bathtub?

And let me run over the scenario for you. Why would Hopkins, who was dominating his division and actually making a legacy for himself, challenge an unrecognized champion, who fights meaningless opponents, in a division that was not popular whatsoever.

Also, Hopkins the "coward", as you call him, was chasing a fight with the number one P4P fighter in the world, at the time. Unlike Calzaghe who sticked to fighting B- fighters.

We make a lot of arguments and I'm actually going to be the one to end this one. I realize there's no point in debating with you because you live in a mind state of your own.

IT'S CALLED ******ITY.

Good day, sir.

[Benncollinsaad]

Are the real experts actually real? Or do they consist of your collectible action figures you play with in the bathtub?

And let me run over the scenario for you. Why would Hopkins, who was dominating his division and actually making a legacy for himself, challenge an unrecognized champion, who fights meaningless opponents, in a division that was not popular whatsoever.

Also, Hopkins the "coward", as you call him, was chasing a fight with the number one P4P fighter in the world, at the time. Unlike Calzaghe who sticked to fighting B- fighters.

We make a lot of arguments and I'm actually going to be the one to end this one. I realize there's no point in debating with you because you live in a mind state of your own.

IT'S CALLED ******ITY.

Good day, sir.

Any comments anyone?

[Dynamite Kid]

Even though Roy Jones Jr. is still fighting today, how would you rate him in history?

You can without a doubt say that he was p4p one of, if not the, best of his era. You can also say that when he was in his prime, he was near perfect.

The thing that most people frown on him for is his lack of great opponents during the most part of his career. While that can be said, remember that he beat the following:

Bernard Hopkins
James Toney
Felix Trinidad
Antonio Tarver
Mike McCallum

Those alone are a great list of opponents.

So how would you rate him in history?

Roy Jones resume should be stronger than it is, that said he did away with some credible opponents quite decisively and made them look like average fighters, Glenn Wolfe went 12 with James Toney whilst Jones dealt with him in 1 round on the Barkley /Toney undercard. Toney went 10 with Glen Thomas and although he was dominant he still went the distance with Thomas, where as against Roy he was starched off the ropes with a beautiful left hook. Thornton went the distance with Toney & Eubank, whilst Roy dropped him and forced a stoppage (debatable)

Malinga beat Benn twice as far as im concerned, although he did not get the verdict first time around, he also lost a split decision to Eubank, Jones knocked him out.

Reggie Johnson barely won one round against Roy Jones, yet he beat Steve Collins decisively.

Eric Harding outboxed Tarver and broke one his ribs in what was a boring !! fight, Roy beat Harding of coarse.

Virgil Hill self explanatory.

Griffin outboxed James Toney twice, albeit he might not have deserved the second fight.

I dont know why people use the McCallum fighg to build up Roy's resume, its not a great win for Jones, McCallum lost clearly to Fabrice Tiozzo not long before that and he looked his age in that fight, McCallum's last good performance before that was Jeff Harding.

Gonzalez went on to beat DariuszMichalczewski after getting dominated by Jones.

[Benncollinsaad]

Roy Jones resume should be stronger than it is, that said he did away with some credible opponents quite decisively and made them look like average fighters, Glenn Wolfe went 12 with James Toney whilst Jones dealt with him in 1 round on the Barkley /Toney undercard. Ive not seen the Toney vs Glen Thomas fight but im pretty sure Thomas did okay against Toney, where as against Roy he was starched off the ropes with a beautiful left hook. Thornton went the distance with Toney & Eubank, whilst Roy dropped him and forced a stoppage (debatable)

Malinga beat Benn twice as far as im concerned, although he did not get the verdict first time around, he also lost a split decision to Eubank, Jones knocked him out.

Reggie Johnson barely won one round against Roy Jones, yet he beat Steve Collins decisively.

Eric Harding outboxed Tarver and broke one his ribs in what was a boring !! fight, Roy beat Harding of coarse.

Virgil Hill self explanatory.

Griffin outboxed James Toney twice, albeit he might not have deserved the second fight.

I dont know why people use the McCallum fighg to build up Roy's resume, its not a great win for Jones, McCallum lost clearly to Fabrice Tiozzo not long before that and he looked his age in that fight, McCallum's last good performance before that was Jeff Harding.

Gonzalez went on to beat DariuszMichalczewski after getting dominated by Jones.

Yea, but that was a faded Michalczewski. He was 35 by then and rusty after waiting for so many years for a title fight with Jones and fighting too many second rate fighters.

[Obama]

Wow, IDK where to even start with the biased hate on RJJ in this thread. First I would have him top 20 range ATG, no way anyone should have him past top 30. I saw more than once posters saying he never beat Tarver. Maybe you should actually watch the fight and see he won 8 rounds to 4 in the first fight.

Look here Allentown, maybe you should make a list of the 20 guys ahead of him and the 20 guys right after him to show you have a clue about how many great fighters there have been.

As far as seeing fights goes, seen them. Roy got the nod, I don't argue with it too much, but it was far from a decisive victory and it could have easily gone the other way.

Roy Jones resume should be stronger than it is, that said he did away with some credible opponents quite decisively and made them look like average fighters, Glenn Wolfe went 12 with James Toney whilst Jones dealt with him in 1 round on the Barkley /Toney undercard. Ive not seen the Toney vs Glen Thomas fight but im pretty sure Thomas did okay against Toney, where as against Roy he was starched off the ropes with a beautiful left hook. Thornton went the distance with Toney & Eubank, whilst Roy dropped him and forced a stoppage (debatable)


Malinga beat Benn twice as far as im concerned, although he did not get the verdict first time around, he also lost a split decision to Eubank, Jones knocked him out.

Eubank had just put Watson in a coma. He was psychologically disturbed and never got the fire in his belly again.

The win over Benn in '96 means little. He was done as a top fighter after McClellan.

Reggie Johnson barely won one round against Roy Jones, yet he beat Steve Collins decisively.

Reggie Johnson was over the hill against Jones. And Steve Collins fans would beg to differ on the outcome of that fight, albeit I thought Johnson won.

Eric Harding outboxed Tarver and broke one his ribs in what was a boring !! fight, Roy beat Harding of coarse.

What did Tarver do to Harding in the rematch? Given the adversity Tarver went through in the first fight, he gets a pass.

Virgil Hill self explanatory.

You're right, he was past his prime and had already been dethroned by the guy Jones should have fought instead, Dariusz M.

Griffin outboxed James Toney twice, albeit he might not have deserved the second fight.

Griffin got 2 gifts. There was no out boxing in either fight, there was only out hustling, and only in the first fight. Your boy Timothy Bradley also out hustles people. Did you think he was out boxing Nate Campbell, or out boxed Kendall Holt? If so, you don't know what out boxing means at all.

I dont know why people use the McCallum fighg to build up Roy's resume, its not a great win for Jones, McCallum lost clearly to Fabrice Tiozzo not long before that and he looked his age in that fight, McCallum's last good performance before that was Jeff Harding.

At least you're on point here.

Gonzalez went on to beat DariuszMichalczewski after getting dominated by Jones.

Dariusz M fell off, what can I say? He was clearly better than Gonzalez in his prime. His problem was he tried to chase Rocky's number, always a mistake.