The reason Joe Louis should be studied above all fighters

[them_apples]

Maybe not above all fighters slight exaggeration however….

Jack Blackburn…..A deeply knowledgeable trainer from an older era. Louis is his best work. It should be studied and upscaled to the highest level so we can inspect his style and all its micro movements the old camera sometimes doesn’t pick up. But the perfect balance and punch leverage does, the understanding of the jab and how it works, the subtle and intelligent defense. Incredible work that unfortunately few will ever see or understand.

200-205 lbs just obliterates cause he’s skinny strong and fit like a wild animal, fighting a bunch of fattened up zoo animals set loose into the jungle.

[Slugfester]

Maybe not above all fighters slight exaggeration howeverâ¦.

Jack Blackburnâ¦..A deeply knowledgeable trainer from an older era. Louis is his best work. It should be studied and upscaled to the highest level so we can inspect his style and all its micro movements the old camera sometimes doesnâÂÂt pick up. But the perfect balance and punch leverage does, the understanding of the jab and how it works, the subtle and intelligent defense. Incredible work that unfortunately few will ever see or understand.

200-205 lbs just obliterates cause heâÂÂs skinny strong and fit like a wild animal, fighting a bunch of fattened up zoo animals set loose into the jungle.

No dispute. But I am left wondering how you are going to inspect these "micro movements," you say the camera does not pick up, if not by inspecting camera footage. Can you explain your technique that replaces cameras with something more reliable?

[Bundana]

No dispute. But I am left wondering how you are going to inspect these "micro movements," you say the camera does not pick up, if not by inspecting camera footage. Can you explain your technique that replaces cameras with something more reliable?

Nah... it's just apples pretending to be able to see something, that only someone of his immense knowledge is able to understand and appreciate!

[them_apples]

No dispute. But I am left wondering how you are going to inspect these "micro movements," you say the camera does not pick up, if not by inspecting camera footage. Can you explain your technique that replaces cameras with something more reliable?

Yeah I meant the old films are being upscaled in AI allowing us to see more and more. Previously the footage and frame-rate was so bad people thought he fought like the gingerbread man

[them_apples]

Nah... it's just apples pretending to be able to see something, that only someone of his immense knowledge is able to understand and appreciate!

Went right over your head

[Dr. Z]

them_apples says ;

Jack Blackburnâ¦..A deeply knowledgeable trainer from an older era. Louis is his best work. It should be studied and upscaled to the highest level so we can inspect his style and all its micro movements the old camera sometimes doesnâÂÂt pick up. But the perfect balance and punch leverage does, the understanding of the jab and how it works, the subtle and intelligent defense. Incredible work that unfortunately few will ever see or understand.

200-205 lbs just obliterates cause heâÂÂs skinny strong and fit like a wild animal, fighting a bunch of fattened up zoo animals set loose into the jungle.

Yes.

Keeping your guard low, hardly moving your feet, and sticking your face forward style of boxing is a recipe for ... disaster.

Boxers in the gym, especially heavyweights should try it. I mean someone should try it ... if you don't like them.

The skinny 200-205 pounders are kicking @ss and taking names in the gym, at heavyweight. We'll maybe some did 50+ years ago.

The aren't around anymore in modern times. Like the dinosaur they are extinct.

[Ivich]

Yes.

Keeping your guard low, hardly moving your feet, and sticking your face forward style of boxing is a recipe for ... disaster.

Boxers in the gym, especially heavyweights should try it. I mean someone should try it ... if you don't like them.

The skinny 200-205 pounders are kicking @ss and taking names in the gym, at heavyweight. We'll maybe some did 50+ years ago.

The aren't around anymore in modern times. Like the dinosaur they are extinct.

Sixty nine fights in a career that stretched from 1934 to 1951. 12 years undisputed heavyweight champion 25 title defences, Beaten only 3 times, once when short of his prime ,twice when well past it,and each time by men that held the heavyweight title.

Some recipe for disaster !!!!!
Keep that hate coming! Recently we have had you tearing down,Johnson, Dempsey,Louis,Lewis,and Monzon.

Who is next on your hate list ?

Stay tuned folks!

[Dr. Z]

Sixty nine fights in a career that stretched from 1934 to 1951. 12 years undisputed heavyweight champion 25 title defences, Beaten only 3 times, once when short of his prime ,twice when well past it,and each time by men that held the heavyweight title.

Some recipe for disaster !!!!!
Keep that hate coming! Recently we have had you tearing down,Johnson, Dempsey,Louis,Lewis,and Monzon.

Who is next on your hate list ?

Stay tuned folks!

Who has the style today? Examples at heavyweight? Try to read and follow along. I have nothing against Dempsey, Louis, or Lewis. The wife beaters and mentally sick boxers ... well.

Keeping your guard low, hardly moving your feet, and sticking your face forward style of boxing is a recipe for ... disaster.

Boxers in the gym, especially heavyweights should try it. I mean someone should try it ... if you don't like them.

The skinny 200-205 pounders are kicking @ss and taking names in the gym, at heavyweight. We'll maybe some did 50+ years ago.

The aren't around anymore in modern times. Like the dinosaur they are extinct.

[Ivich]

Who has the style today? Examples at heavyweight? Try to read and follow along. I have nothing against Dempsey, Louis, or Lewis. The wife beaters and mentally sick boxers ... well.

According to you Dempsey cheated by having a bolt in his hand against Willard.
According to you Firpo should have been declared champion against Dempsey.
According to you the film of the Firpo fight was doctored,
so as to avoid showing the full time elapsed when Dempsey was nearly completely out of the ring
According to you Louis was the beneficiary of crooked refereeing and judging and his managers were mobbed up.

According to you,though you have not seen the full Louis v Walcott first fight, Walcott was robbed.
According to you Lewis avoided Southpaws and made a public statement saying so.
According to you Lewis reneged on a rematch with Vitali.
According to you Monzon avoided tall punchers and preyed on short non- punchers.
According to you, though you haven't seen the fight Briscoe was robbed in his first fight with Monzon
According to you Monzon was floored in a fight with Jorge Fernadez in January1966.Except no such fight took place.
According to you Johnson refused offers of $30,000 and up to $100,000 to fight Jeannette,McVey ,and Langford.
The only problem with all of this agenda driven BS is you cannot offer one single scrap of evidence to support any of your opinions.
Have you any idea what a complete JACK ASS you are?

[billeau2]

No dispute. But I am left wondering how you are going to inspect these "micro movements," you say the camera does not pick up, if not by inspecting camera footage. Can you explain your technique that replaces cameras with something more reliable?

Here is what I do: having studied martial arts for over 40 years, and as a hobby, looking at boxing film as a source of good information along with great conversation... If you have a framework in place, an understanding of WHY certain things were done, and then understand the principles behind making those things succesful, down to distance, timing, the guard used, etc. Then the tape makes more sense and as we get better tape, we can see things more clearly.

Let me give an example, that can be looked at in the abstract: It has become fashionable for martial artists to critique techniques they have no understanding of... Dismissing these techniques means not adapting them or understanding their value. One technique is a Japanese technique where I thrust to your belly with a knife, you stop the blade, shift over and disarm. So: immediate reaction is "people do not stab like that!" "The guy will just draw the knife back!" Well... When this technique was done, it was done against an opponent who is trying to cut through you. Originally you were both in armour as well, the cut was to the belly under the armour plate, or to catch the seams and cut through them on the side... The thing is, EVERYTHING depends on where your weight is when you catch the arm in an X. If you are back past the knife weilders center, you would be protected by hand plates, but would not be succesful, if yu are equal balance, you better shift in quick, and what you want is to crash into him with your weight and bring the knife back past his center of balance...

Now, dismissing this technique as "not working" is a fallicy. Adapting the technique to different environments is progressive... But it is easier for martial artists to say "ohh those Samurai, they did not know how people fight in modern society" which is a load of crap lol.

Lewis fought the way he did to maximize his chances to land his punches. He was not always steller in doing so, but his technique, his form, his muscle memory was such that any bookie could count Louis would get some cracks at the apple in a fight, and these cracks would usually mean something.