How did Toney get caught for steroids but not Holyfield?

[Tatabanya]

Damn it, how do I miss this stuff?

So there you go Toney failed twice.

_Rexy_ Are you going to defend your position thet Toney only used once and got caught despite the fact he failed twice (for the same drug)?

All of this coming from a Toney quasi-fan... I'm a betrayer!

[TeamElite]

I believe vs Rydell Booker.

Not sure if he was even tested for the Booker fight though he was clearly juiced at that point.

I dont know why this topic is even being discussed considering no one knows wtf they're on about.

[BKM-]

Dude, have you seen pictures of the 13 year old Mike Tyson?

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Meanwhile, look at Holyfield AFTER he won the cruiserweight title at age 24

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Yeah, Tyson admitted to using fake dxcks to mask his ******* & marijuana usage.

But his body didn't drastically change like Evander's until the end when he got up to 240.

It was standard practise to hop young kids up on HGH especially in the golden era of HGH the 80s. Let me guess, millions of dollars at stake but sports managers would rather be moral than become rich right? Laughably naive idea.

Cus obviously shot him up from the start. Tyson had all the signs, the giant hands and feet, the caveman Brow Ridge, pretty much all of his features on top of the unnatural amount of muscle mass without even lifting weights. Tyson doesn't even look like a normal human being due to all the HGH signs in his features and who knows what else he legally shot up his system and also later on hid by using clean urine with a fake peen.

Face it Tyson fanbs, Evander beat the snot out of him and humiliated him fair and square as both were using. Actually, you are arguing for Evander by implying he was clean before becoming a HW, you don't even realize it.

[Dr. Z]

Do you guys think they protected Evander since he was a sentimental favorite of the public? There's no way he evaded drug detection.

Oh Holyfield was caught but not convicted like Toney was. Evan Fields skated

https://www.espn.com/espn/news/story?id=2782741

Late Wednesday, SI.com reported that the name "Evan Fields" appeared on law enforcement documents reviewed by the Web site in connection with the Mobile investigation. SI.com dialed a phone number associated with "Fields" that was listed on one of the documents, and Holyfield answered the call. "Fields" listed birth date in the document -- Oct. 19, 1962 -- also is the same as Holyfield's.

According to SI.com, the individual who authorities believe to be Holyfield picked up prescriptions that came from Applied Pharmacy. According to records reviewed by SI.com, Holyfield picked up vials of testosterone, two vials of Glukor (a drug believed to be used during and after steroid cycles) and injection supplies. Less than a week later, according to the document, he picked up five vials of Saizen, a brand of HGH, and related supplies.

[Tanakasensei]

It was standard practise to hop young kids up on HGH especially in the golden era of HGH the 80s. Let me guess, millions of dollars at stake but sports managers would rather be moral than become rich right? Laughably naive idea.

Cus obviously shot him up from the start. Tyson had all the signs, the giant hands and feet, the caveman Brow Ridge, pretty much all of his features on top of the unnatural amount of muscle mass without even lifting weights. Tyson doesn't even look like a normal human being due to all the HGH signs in his features and who knows what else he legally shot up his system and also later on hid by using clean urine with a fake peen.

Face it Tyson fanbs, Evander beat the snot out of him and humiliated him fair and square as both were using. Actually, you are arguing for Evander by implying he was clean before becoming a HW, you don't even realize it.

Evander headbutted Tyson every single clinch. They were not accidental.. he leaned down and butted him.

[BKM-]

Evander headbutted Tyson every single clinch. They were not accidental.. he leaned down and butted him.

Tyson knew every dirty trick in the book from watching old classic fights from Jacobs' fight library. He bragged about it in interviews, he was proud of it. Elbows, his own headbutts, low blows etc. The arm breaking attempts and biting were also added later on.

So Tyson and his fans can't complain about dirty moves when he was an expert at dirty boxing moves.

Just like his fans can't complain about PED's when he himself was brought along in the HGH-80s looking like a mutant of a human being, and he admited knowing about PED's and using a fake peen to pass drug tests in the 90s.

Funny how all the excuses used to defend him were things he was far more guilty of himself.

[Tanakasensei]

Tyson knew every dirty trick in the book from watching old classic fights from Jacobs' fight library. He bragged about it in interviews, he was proud of it. Elbows, his own headbutts, low blows etc. The arm breaking attempts and biting were also added later on.

So Tyson and his fans can't complain about dirty moves when he was an expert at dirty boxing moves.

Just like his fans can't complain about PED's when he himself was brought along in the HGH-80s looking like a mutant of a human being, and he admited knowing about PED's and using a fake peen to pass drug tests in the 90s.

Funny how all the excuses used to defend him were things he was far more guilty of himself.

No comparison. Young Tyson threw an elbow in once or twice. Holyfield headbutted him every FN time.

Holyfield Lost to both Ruiz and Moorer. Both of whom were worse than peak Douglas

[BKM-]

No comparison. Young Tyson threw an elbow in once or twice. Holyfield headbutted him every FN time.

Holyfield Lost to both Ruiz and Moorer. Both of whom were worse than peak Douglas

You're right there's no comparison because Tyson was far more dirty than Holyfield overall in their careers. He headbutted Berbick, elbowed everybody he fought and low blow'd the crap out of Bruno, tried to armlock Evander, Botha and others, bit Evander and Mcbride etc.

The difference is Tyson could only dish it out, not take it. Then he would cry to authoritative figures for help, there's your streetz tough guy image in reality. Also the biting, that's another child-like behavior. When I was a kid I witnessed my two pre-teen cousins fighting. The older and bigger one got the better of the other during rough housing so the smaller one resorted to biting. Tyson is a child.

[elfag]

Toney failed a test. holyfield never failed a test just got caught on some paperwork.


so many sports fans are delusional about PEDs. They think they can tell by looking if a guy is on PEDs. ok well james toney and Tyson fury proved that wrong.

Then they think testing proves something. Ok well Holyfield and Shane mosley never failed a test. lance armstrong never failed a test (his old frozen samples tested for EPO after they invented a test for it)

all elite athletes are on PEDs, just only a very small percent ever get caught

[Willie Pep 229]

You're right there's no comparison because Tyson was far more dirty than Holyfield overall in their careers. He headbutted Berbick, elbowed everybody he fought and low blow'd the crap out of Bruno, tried to armlock Evander, Botha and others, bit Evander and Mcbride etc.

The difference is Tyson could only dish it out, not take it. Then he would cry to authoritative figures for help, there's your streetz tough guy image in reality. Also the biting, that's another child-like behavior. When I was a kid I witnessed my two pre-teen cousins fighting. The older and bigger one got the better of the other during rough housing so the smaller one resorted to biting. Tyson is a child.

Agree regarding Tyson's nature and at times lack of character. No doubt there.

But head butting is more dangerous than biting or elbows, and has its own rule, and manatory punishment, while other fouls don't.

The The London Prize Ring Rules lists, biting, scratching, low blows, hitting while down, and kicking as possible fouls which the the referee needs to address, but the ref is given discretion, not instruction on how to penalize. [Rules #15, #16, #17, #18, #19.]

But the "head butting" [Rule #14] on the other hand, is not included with that group. It is given its own separate foul rule, where immediate disqualification is mandatory.

There is no other foul listed for immediate DQ, except head butting.

Head butting is a fight changer and can cause career ending damage.

Anyway the 'founding fathers' of prize fighting certainly saw the the infraction as more dangerous than biting.

Biting is ugly, kicking embarrassing, low blows cheap shots, but head butting is very dangerous.

P.S. In state law all the lesser infractions, e.g. low blow ir biting would be considered assault and battery.

Attacking another person with one's head could rise to aggravated battery. The head will be seen as a weapon capable of doing deadly harm.

Unless one is HIV possitive, bitting will never be viewed in that light.