Joe Calzaghe Is Most Underrated Champion

[Slugfester]

I partially agree with everything anyone said. Who did he fight and how good were they when he fought them, is still the bottom line. People were saying he wasn't fighting anyone dangerous while he was still reigning, and he must have heard, but the protests were drowned out by starved British adulation.

Though resentful, I admired several things about him. He was always ready and he came in with a tough attitude. That tough head was not particularly evident because of his style, but he did have a tough man's headspace.

But the bottom line is still the bottom line. A class fighters destroy B class fighters like they are kids. Calzaghe (Bill, just remember zag he, cal is easy) could almost surely have given a good account of himself among top competition. But alas, ATG status is awarded for what a man did do, not what he almost surely could have done.

[max baer]

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Not really true.

Ottke, Pavlik, Johnson, Dawson, loads of guys that people were interested in him fighting at different times.

While he was at 168 there were a plethora of guys who were ranked in the Top 5 that he didn't fight. Not that he ducked them, he didn't, but there were plenty he missed.

He was in a division for a decade and fought two guys in the Top 5. It's a joke really to say that out loud.

okay okay, i am beginning to notice a common thread here, american's are quick to knock british fighters if they can. i suspect a wee just little bit of jealousy, just a little bit.
i am of irish parents but see myself as english and love england but i bet if i had said same thing about liking steve collins (and i really do) the response would be much more favourable with americans saying they love him too.
yanks love irish and hate brits. i get it.
also if people want to judge fighters on the rank of those they beat then lennox lewis has gotta be the greatest as he ducked no one and beat them at their absolute peak, tua, gallota, morrison, ruddock, holyfeild briggs, etc etc and he as brave as a man can be. and he was a west ham fan from east london.
maaaaan that must drive queeny insane with envy. a brit the greatest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJqimlFcJsM
try and conceal your bias a little bit though at least try and make it look a little concealed!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgd9nYqVz2s enjoy!!!
why didn't you know the good lord himself is an englishman!!!

[IronDanHamza]

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okay okay, i am beginning to notice a common thread here, american's are quick to knock british fighters if they can. i suspect a wee just little bit of jealousy, just a little bit.
i am of irish parents but see myself as english and love england but i bet if i had said same thing about liking steve collins (and i really do) the response would be much more favourable with americans saying they love him too.
yanks love irish and hate brits. i get it.
also if people want to judge fighters on the rank of those they beat then lennox lewis has gotta be the greatest as he ducked no one and beat them at their absolute peak, tua, gallota, morrison, ruddock, holyfeild briggs, etc etc and he as brave as a man can be. and he was a west ham fan from east london.
maaaaan that must drive queeny insane with envy. a brit the greatest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJqimlFcJsM
try and conceal your bias a little bit though at least try and make it look a little concealed!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgd9nYqVz2s enjoy!!!
why didn't you know the good lord himself is an englishman!!!

Your argument might have merit if I wasn’t 100% English.

Every thing that I have stated in his thread is factual. If you want to label facts as “bias” then be my guest if that helps you deal with them.

[max baer]

Your argument might have merit if I wasn’t 100% English.

Every thing that I have stated in his thread is factual. If you want to label facts as “bias” then be my guest if that helps you deal with them.

okay fair enough. i accept that being a big fan clouds my judgement.
fair enough dan.
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i love listening to peter defreitas about benn and his career, he is my next thread i will do later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijl1x1kArrM

[QueensburyRules]

Over-rated if anything. In the UK they act like he’s Sugar Ray Robinson. He basically fought nobody for a decade and then picked off 43 year old Hopkins and a shot 38 year old RJJ.

Kessler was nothing special he had beaten nobody of much worth before the Calzhage fight and then Ward and Froch have both beaten him.

But he retired 46-0 so people think he’s much better than he was. His list of title defences is laughable. Peter Manfredo, Evans Ashira, Kabary Salem, Toker Pudwill, Branko Sobot and various other nobodies.

Plus for years he refused to fly and wouldn’t fight outside the UK or Wales, only to suddenly find his air miles when old BHop and RJJ gave him a payday.

- - Oh deary, how dreary and teary you are, and who to thank?

Poppy the Ring Champ and Roy Ring #5 when Roy fought them.

Joe signed with the onerous Allegedly who dominated British boxing then and still hands on with Blubber and the mob. Joe fought and whooped who they put in front of him without complaint. As soon as his contract expired with Joe still not even able to buy his own home in spite of making a fortune for Allededly, he flies overseas to take on American icons and utterly humiliated them while taking home all the $$$ he needs for the rest of his life.

SuperJoe didn't hang on stinking out the place like TBE TUE l'l floydy did.

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- - Oh deary, how dreary and teary you are, and who to thank?

Poppy the Ring Champ and Roy Ring #5 when Roy fought them.

Joe signed with the onerous Allegedly who dominated British boxing then and still hands on with Blubber and the mob. Joe fought and whooped who they put in front of him without complaint. As soon as his contract expired with Joe still not even able to buy his own home in spite of making a fortune for Allededly, he flies overseas to take on American icons and utterly humiliated them while taking home all the $$$ he needs for the rest of his life.

SuperJoe didn't hang on stinking out the place like TBE TUE l'l floydy did.

oh my god queeny, are you backing me up here?
surely i am imagining. are you agreeing with me?
this is just unbelievable.

Good old queensbury i admire your fortitude good sir, why i am just a simple englishman but i salute your use of english language and your wit is like a breath of fresh air sweeping across the little pond to my humble abode in ol' blighty.
queensbury no doubt you were a boxer of some fortitude in your youth and how i enjoy your witty comments on these boards as you educate and entertain in equal measure to our daily delight!
I salute you good sir and raise a glass of the finest claret in honour of your great lone star state, the real heart of the great us of a!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJJmDzVXCx8

[IronDanHamza]

- - Oh deary, how dreary and teary you are, and who to thank?

Poppy the Ring Champ and Roy Ring #5 when Roy fought them.

Joe signed with the onerous Allegedly who dominated British boxing then and still hands on with Blubber and the mob. Joe fought and whooped who they put in front of him without complaint. As soon as his contract expired with Joe still not even able to buy his own home in spite of making a fortune for Allededly, he flies overseas to take on American icons and utterly humiliated them while taking home all the $$$ he needs for the rest of his life.

SuperJoe didn't hang on stinking out the place like TBE TUE l'l floydy did.

Patently false.

[billeau2]

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okay okay, i am beginning to notice a common thread here, american's are quick to knock british fighters if they can. i suspect a wee just little bit of jealousy, just a little bit.
i am of irish parents but see myself as english and love england but i bet if i had said same thing about liking steve collins (and i really do) the response would be much more favourable with americans saying they love him too.
yanks love irish and hate brits. i get it.
also if people want to judge fighters on the rank of those they beat then lennox lewis has gotta be the greatest as he ducked no one and beat them at their absolute peak, tua, gallota, morrison, ruddock, holyfeild briggs, etc etc and he as brave as a man can be. and he was a west ham fan from east london.
maaaaan that must drive queeny insane with envy. a brit the greatest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJqimlFcJsM
try and conceal your bias a little bit though at least try and make it look a little concealed!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgd9nYqVz2s enjoy!!!
why didn't you know the good lord himself is an englishman!!!

I will say that Brits really support their fighters. I think this is a wonderful quality. I also will never fault a fighter for fighting at home. It really gives the locals something to get behind.

[billeau2]

Patently false.

Wouldn't be the queen bee otherwise.

[kara]

Not really true.

Ottke, Pavlik, Johnson, Dawson, loads of guys that people were interested in him fighting at different times.

While he was at 168 there were a plethora of guys who were ranked in the Top 5 that he didn't fight. Not that he ducked them, he didn't, but there were plenty he missed.

He was in a division for a decade and fought two guys in the Top 5. It's a joke really to say that out loud.

Wasn't Pavlik at 160? Calzaghe retired at 175. Was Johnson still a factor then? Ottke retired years before Calzaghe did and never wanted to leave his country from what I recall.