If Wills Had Fought And Beaten Dempsey In1922?

[Ivich]

He knows this because we've explained it to him over and over and over again. He just puts his head in the sand and repeats the same bullshlt because he is blinded by his hatred.

Johnson agrees to fight McVey in Australia for $30,000.

https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=...-1--txt-txIN--

[Dr. Z]

He knows this because we've explained it to him over and over and over again. He just puts his head in the sand and repeats the same bullshlt because he is blinded by his hatred.

Oh I agree, Johnson was not paid. Johnson did not make much vs. Jim Battling Johnson either. There were other fight to be made in France and the French wanted to see them. Johnson was not willing to meet Jeanette or Langford. Just admit the facts. Moran receivers a cheap shot during a break to the chin ( can be seen in film ) and for a moment almost quits, but decides to go on. Johnson fouled many times as a fighter, and was not stranger of hitting his opponent on the brake. Just a few facts. I do know my stuff.

Now if you want to talk facts let us partake. But If your siding with the agenda ridden and double standard Ivich's jhiad, which you apparent are, I am going to pass. You're choice. I provided you with an exit to escape.

Now can we talk boxing???

[Dr. Z]

Johnson agrees to fight McVey in Australia for $30,000.

https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=...-1--txt-txIN--

Johnson and McVey have met before. Johnson says he stopped Sam in six rounds, and the second time secured a cieancut decision over the 20 round route. Books of ring records give Johnson two 20 round decisions and one knockout in 20 round

We have know liars here. Jack Johnson was as this obvisouly did not happen! He stopped Mcvey is six rounds he says... and Ivich.

Keep defending a lair. And a man who wanted to be the only black heavyweight champion in history. A man who wanted Schmeling to beat Louis when the stake were high.

[Willie Pep 229]

Johnson agrees to fight McVey in Australia for $30,000.

https://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=...-1--txt-txIN--

If the San Francisco article is dated 30 December 1911 and it states that the fight (offer) is good until May of the next year, why didn t they fight?

I keep reading people saying that the deal was revoked because Johnson was convicted and the Australians soured on him. But the dates don't work.

Johnson is indicted in November of 1912 and convicted in May 1913.

So if there was a 30K offer to fight in May 1912 why didn't he take it?

[EDIT]

I recognize that McIntosh will make a 50K offer for Johnson to fight McVey and Langford in Australia in late summer 1912 and that is the offer which is revoked once JJ is indicted. But it doesn't explain the earlier May 1912 offer for 30K.

Johnson is quoted in the NYT (Janurary 1912) that he is considering a fight with Jim Flynn in July and then mentions that he will make an announcement on the proposed McVey fight in Australia in 'a couple of days.' But no announcement is forth coming. That I can find as of yet.

So I ask again, why no McVey fight in May 1912?

Anyone have a clue why this fight didn't happen?

[Ivich]

If the San Francisco article is dated 30 December 1911 and it states that the fight (offer) is good until May of the next year, why didn t they fight?

I keep reading people saying that the deal was revoked because Johnson was convicted and the Australians soured on him. But the dates don't work.

Johnson is indicted in November of 1912 and convicted in May 1913.

So if there was a 30K offer to fight in May 1912 why didn't he take it?

[EDIT]

I recognize that McIntosh will make a 50K offer for Johnson to fight McVey and Langford in Australia in late summer 1912 and that is the offer which is revoked once JJ is indicted. But it doesn't explain the earlier May 1912 offer for 30K.

Johnson is quoted in the NYT (Janurary 1912) that he is considering a fight with Jim Flynn in July and then mentions that he will make an announcement on the proposed McVey fight in Australia in 'a couple of days.' But no announcement is forth coming. That I can find as of yet.

So I ask again, why no McVey fight in May 1912?

Anyone have a clue why this fight didn't happen?

Its my understanding that Johnson opted for the Flynn fight because;
1. No expensive travel was involved.
2.He was set to clear $30,500 for an easy job against a man he had already beaten by ko
I'd have to re- read Pollack's account, but that I believe is the gist of it.

[travestyny]

Oh I agree, Johnson was not paid. Johnson did not make much vs. Jim Battling Johnson either. There were other fight to be made in France and the French wanted to see them. Johnson was not willing to meet Jeanette or Langford. Just admit the facts. Moran receivers a cheap shot during a break to the chin ( can be seen in film ) and for a moment almost quits, but decides to go on. Johnson fouled many times as a fighter, and was not stranger of hitting his opponent on the brake. Just a few facts. I do know my stuff.

Now if you want to talk facts let us partake. But If your siding with the agenda ridden and double standard Ivich's jhiad, which you apparent are, I am going to pass. You're choice. I provided you with an exit to escape.

Now can we talk boxing???

Yes there were other fights to be made in France which is precisely why he agreed to fight Moran for $30,000.

Didn't Johnson agree to fight Jeannette and Langford on numerous occasions? Don't duck the question like you always do, please.



I don't know why you are pivoting to his performance in the ring. You can't even stay on topic

[QueensburyRules]

But Bill Tate at a similar age as Dempsey at the time (23 years old) and with similar experience to Dempsey (both had around 26 fights on their record) took the Langford fight and got a draw. He never ducked it claiming to be deathly afraid of Langford.


Not sure what your last part about Dempsey fighting a Black man in Harlem has to do with anything. Johnson broke 3 of Dempsey's ribs and Dempsey felt he lost. So him being a Black fighter in Harlem only got him a draw though more than one newspaper had him winning easily.


I really do think this was the fight that convinced Dempsey to steer clear of Black fighters. They offered him Langford, he said hell no. So they offered Johnson, a journeyman, instead, and Johnson goes on to really bust Dempsey up. After that, Dempsey would occasionally draw the color line and refuse to fight Black fighters for the rest of his career.

- - Disingenuous even for you.

Jack left NYC riding the rails with busted ribs scrapping in bum encampments for scraps on the way home.

Survival in the present takes precedence over modern candy boys’ unable to digest the hard eras before their time.

[travestyny]

- - Disingenuous even for you.

Jack left NYC riding the rails with busted ribs scrapping in bum encampments for scraps on the way home.

Survival in the present takes precedence over modern candy boys’ unable to digest the hard eras before their time.

What the actual fvvck does that have to do with anything I said?

Go away. You're an idiot.

[QueensburyRules]

What the actual fvvck does that have to do with anything I said?

Go away. You're an idiot.

- - U and Vitchy sitting in a tree…

[Dr. Z]

Yes there were other fights to be made in France which is precisely why he agreed to fight Moran for $30,000.

Didn't Johnson agree to fight Jeannette and Langford on numerous occasions? Don't duck the question like you always do, please.


I don't know why you are pivoting to his performance in the ring. You can't even stay on topic

I can stay on topic, it is you that keeps changing the record and running away. Now, he made but a few thousand at best vs. Jim Battling Johnson and made less than that amount vs Moran.

Facts! Forget this $30,000.00 business. That was when he fought Flynn in 1912 in Las Vegas, NV. No one was banned from figthing in that state ever and you can not hide behind a NY atheltic commission not to Langford and Jeannette in Las Vegas. Why didn't Johnson move the fight there? Well Tell me.

Jack Johnson skirted offers in France vs . Jeannette and Langford. The French stripped him for ducking them. Fact again. IMO, he would make more money vs them, what do you think?

Now, I have become incredibly busy right now, so assuming you answer these questions, give me a while to answer them.