NSB forum

[Slugfester]

Fight somebody good or get out of the game. The Viking stinks, if you are talking about Helenius. He is a large punching bag.

[billeau2]

Some good posters in there especially RJJGOAT.

But mostly it’s kids, always has been. It was in the 00’s, was in the 10’s and is now. It’s just the kids get old and leave and new ones come in.

And when they find the forum, they’ve not long found boxing and are into their first favourite fighter, so they have an attachment to them, often irrational

To be honest, if the internet was a thing in the 70’s and 80’s I’d have probably been the same. We all remember the fighters who first got us into boxing, and how much we loved rooting for them. If there was an internet where you could talk about it to the world back then a lot of us would have been saying some things on there we’d probably cringe at today.

Agree about RJJGOAT, and there are others, mixed in with a lot of kids lol.
Funny thing: In martial arts a lot of the well respected teachers made videos... And still curse the day they decided to do so. They usually got a few chops and figured they were great and made these vids... years later? when they really got some skills? here are these video testaments to all kinds of bad habits that a typical new teacher would have. Its the same type of cringe as looking at older posts one made when they thought they knew it all.

[billeau2]

People will pay for Joshua-Fury today as is.

If AJ beats a top ten or a bottom 20 neither will change the gate of the Joshua-Fury fight.

Just have the fight now.

It's Usky's fight, rightfully so, but he just isn't avaiable. So let's have AJ vs. Fury now.

P.S. I guess this is a good example how I usually disagree with the forum. I really don't care about anybody's rankings.

It's a prize fight. Each is an unique event and it's value can be measured by the fan anticipation it creates; prize fighting is not a professional boxing league dictated by standings.

I see AJ-Fury as a great match-up and want to buy it.

Rather have Usky but will take AJ right now.

The concept of obligation in a sports setting can be clear, or be confusing. In a league we know that if the Vikings win the division, the other team cannot say, "they are boring, we would rather play another team... or to take the concept further (Fury's latest fight plans) we want to play the New York Mets, even if they are a baseball team!" Obviously this just wouldn't fly.

So what is "obligation" to a fighter? This is where it gets crazy imo... Fighters seem to manifest an obligation to a promoter. Where exactly does that come from? Agents in other entertainment fields seem to have a less obligatory, less public role: We do not say "Kubrecks film was great, I wonder who signed the marquee actors." Promoters have become like Karl Marx's Capitalist. An unnecessary middle man, the guy who owned the toothbrush factory right up to the point where no one can afford to buy a brush, they are churning out and people just take them. Not espousing Marx, but the analogy holds, because promoters have a middleman like role that is ambiguisly defined. Meanwhile, a new cast of characters have clearly shown the value of self promotion involving fights.

Promoters often stop good fights from happening, and fans have a way of letting fighters know who they wish to see fight. There is nothing wrong with fans doing this, I think in boxing it can often be in spite of a ranking, a promoter's preference, etc. While I think the role of a Capitalist in Marxism is outdated, I think the concept applies handily to some of the older promoters.

[Willow The Wisp]

Tulin Conqueriin

[max baer]

The concept of obligation in a sports setting can be clear, or be confusing. In a league we know that if the Vikings win the division, the other team cannot say, "they are boring, we would rather play another team... or to take the concept further (Fury's latest fight plans) we want to play the New York Mets, even if they are a baseball team!" Obviously this just wouldn't fly.

So what is "obligation" to a fighter? This is where it gets crazy imo... Fighters seem to manifest an obligation to a promoter. Where exactly does that come from? Agents in other entertainment fields seem to have a less obligatory, less public role: We do not say "Kubrecks film was great, I wonder who signed the marquee actors." Promoters have become like Karl Marx's Capitalist. An unnecessary middle man, the guy who owned the toothbrush factory right up to the point where no one can afford to buy a brush, they are churning out and people just take them. Not espousing Marx, but the analogy holds, because promoters have a middleman like role that is ambiguisly defined. Meanwhile, a new cast of characters have clearly shown the value of self promotion involving fights.

Promoters often stop good fights from happening, and fans have a way of letting fighters know who they wish to see fight. There is nothing wrong with fans doing this, I think in boxing it can often be in spite of a ranking, a promoter's preference, etc. While I think the role of a Capitalist in Marxism is outdated, I think the concept applies handily to some of the older promoters.

I agree with you. If, say at heavyweight level there are very few fights to watch at the top level so forums get full of nonsense and I am one of the guilty. We love boxing and want to talk about the latest fights and all debate how this fight places the boxer in historic context and more. I really enjoyed the latest fight with usyk and dubois and it created lots of good debate especially the low blow debate. I loved reading the debates that were going on. But I get frustrated at the fights that seem to never get made. I always remember lewis against bowe and how we hoped to see it but times changed and the fight never got made and we were gutted. As fans we need more to digest and we are not really getting enough. Of course at lower levels there is plenty going on still so I am not completely at a loss but to me it seems today that the fights we all desire so much are passing us by. Lewis Tyson got made but we all knew tyson was past his best and it just left me wondering what might have been. Is it possibly because in their primes both fighters had too much to lose but if we all know one is past it they feel "if i lose everyone will know i am over the hill" and the other thinks "I can beat him now for sure" so they both earn tonnes of cash and there are no surprises.
What I am trying to say is give us some great title fights more often please so we have good fresh debates going on and not just end up making wisecracks with each other because the boxing is not happening. Just my thoughts.