The Greatness Of Willie Pep (Willow The Wisp)

[max baer]

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/43
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Pep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLOIgphTN8c

He was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in its inaugural year of 1990.

Pep was ranked sixth on Ring Magazine's list of the 80 Best Fighters of the Last 80 Years in 2002. Pep was also named the third greatest fighter of all time by Bert Sugar.

Pep was ranked 5th on ESPN's 50 Greatest Boxers Of All Time list in 2007.

Willie Pep was voted as the Greatest Featherweight Ever by the Houston Boxing Hall Of Fame in 2014. The HBHOF is a voting body composed totally of current and former fighters.
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What is more he introduced quite new techniques to boxing skills.
some info on willie pep for those unsure. a very special man.

[Willie Pep 229]

as whose resume? not strong enough compared to whom?
https://www.martialbot.com/boxing/co...manny-pacquiao
this compares manny with willie pep. you can compare any boxers.
Pep was simply incredible so to say not so at least make an arguement rather then just a one line opinion.

I don't understand "performance" and "career" on the graph. Could you explain?

can you tell me where I can set up a match-up?

Thanks

[Slugfester]

Most of Pep's opponents are not recognizable to us. That is a big problem in mythical matchups and in making judgements. We don't know how tough his opponents were. I suspect they pretty tough.

Pure defensive boxers have to be really good for their reputations to last as long as Willie's has, which is no argument but an opinion.

I rate him near the top of an AT pure defensive boxers' list, maybe the top. As a pure boxer, his AT company will be Benitez, Mayweather, Nicolino Locce, Young, Byrd, et al. Mayweather is high on that particular list.

It takes very little watching to see how well Willie handles himself in the ring. I don't really know where he should be on a general AT list.

[The D3vil]

Yeah, Pep was a bad man.

Would love to see him & Salvador Sanchez

Saddler apparently raked him pretty good when they fought.

His resume is definitely quantity over quality though.

Kind of like Niccolino Locche

It's about the amount of wins as opposed to the great competition faced.

[IronDanHamza]

Yeah, Pep was a bad man.

Would love to see him & Salvador Sanchez

Saddler apparently raked him pretty good when they fought.

His resume is definitely quantity over quality though.

Kind of like Niccolino Locche

It's about the amount of wins as opposed to the great competition faced.

They fought 4 times, Saddler beat him 3 times and beat him up pretty badly overall.

There's footage of them.

[Slugfester]

Yeah, Pep was a bad man.

Would love to see him & Salvador Sanchez

Saddler apparently raked him pretty good when they fought.

His resume is definitely quantity over quality though.

Kind of like Niccolino Locche

It's about the amount of wins as opposed to the great competition faced.

Bad not in the sense of a puncher. He wasn't going to hurt you. Willie couldn't hurt a fly, to borrow a proverb. He was bad because he could make you look like a fool.

[max baer]

I don't understand "performance" and "career" on the graph. Could you explain?

can you tell me where I can set up a match-up?

Thanks

yeah sorry not as good as it looked at first.

[Ivich]

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/43
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Pep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLOIgphTN8c

He was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in its inaugural year of 1990.

Pep was ranked sixth on Ring Magazine's list of the 80 Best Fighters of the Last 80 Years in 2002. Pep was also named the third greatest fighter of all time by Bert Sugar.

Pep was ranked 5th on ESPN's 50 Greatest Boxers Of All Time list in 2007.

Willie Pep was voted as the Greatest Featherweight Ever by the Houston Boxing Hall Of Fame in 2014. The HBHOF is a voting body composed totally of current and former fighters.
====================================
What is more he introduced quite new techniques to boxing skills.
some info on willie pep for those unsure. a very special man.

Something that has always bothered me about Willie is the Lulu Perez fight.

Was it a fix?

• The gate was $32,808. Pep collected about $11,000 and Perez $9,000.
• Pep entered the fight ranked as the No. 1 featherweight contender, and Perez was ranked fourth among the 126-pounders.
• Pep was 31 years old and Perez was 20.
• This was Pep's 190th professional fight.
• Perez was a 6-5 favorite on the afternoon of the fight. However, just before the start of the fight, some bookmakers had Perez as a 3½-1 favorite and some had taken the fight "off the boards," meaning no more bets were taken.
• Perez floored Pep three times in the second round and won on the three-knockdown rule.
• After the fight, Dr. Vincent Nardiello, the New York State Athletic Commission physician, said, "Willie can't take a punch anymore. I won't pass him in a physical."
• Pep was suspended indefinitely by the New York State Athletic Commission after the fight. Dr. Ira McCown, medical director of the commission, said he and Dr. Mal Stevens, head of the medical advisory board to the commission, recommended the suspension because Pep's actions in the Perez fight showed "Pep was unable to defend himself and his reflexes had slowed perceptibly." Massachusetts and the National Boxing Association concurred in the suspension. In February 1955, the NBA lifted the suspension after physicians in Boston found Pep fit to resume boxing. Pep would fight 51 times after losing to Perez, but he would never again box in New York.
• It has been alleged that Pep took a dive against Perez. Boxing historian Bert Sugar said of the fight: "It just smelled."
• A July 1980 Inside Sports magazine article by writer Paul Good alleged that a boxer, identified as "The Champ," threw a fight against Lulu Perez in 1954 for $16,000. The article was titled "The Fix." Good wrote: "The story, I believe, is true all the way. You could guess who 'The Champ' is, pull out some old clippings, read about a certain fight and confirm it. I won't name him because it could cost him his job." Pep's lawyer, Norman Ebenstein, said: "You cannot be of Wilie's generation and mine and not read that article and immediately say, 'Hey, that's Willie Pep.' For those who know boxing, there is no other person in the world who fits that description." Pep, who vehemently denied that he threw the fight, filed a $75 million libel suit against Good and Newsweek Inc., which owned Inside Sports. After a two-week trial in February 1984, the jury deliberated for just 15 minutes and ruled against Pep."

The last KD looks very theatrical to me.

• What do you think?

Willie Pep vs Lulu Perez - YouTube

[Willie Pep 229]

Something that has always bothered me about Willie is the Lulu Perez fight.

Was it a fix?

• The gate was $32,808. Pep collected about $11,000 and Perez $9,000.
• Pep entered the fight ranked as the No. 1 featherweight contender, and Perez was ranked fourth among the 126-pounders.
• Pep was 31 years old and Perez was 20.
• This was Pep's 190th professional fight.
• Perez was a 6-5 favorite on the afternoon of the fight. However, just before the start of the fight, some bookmakers had Perez as a 3½-1 favorite and some had taken the fight "off the boards," meaning no more bets were taken.
• Perez floored Pep three times in the second round and won on the three-knockdown rule.
• After the fight, Dr. Vincent Nardiello, the New York State Athletic Commission physician, said, "Willie can't take a punch anymore. I won't pass him in a physical."
• Pep was suspended indefinitely by the New York State Athletic Commission after the fight. Dr. Ira McCown, medical director of the commission, said he and Dr. Mal Stevens, head of the medical advisory board to the commission, recommended the suspension because Pep's actions in the Perez fight showed "Pep was unable to defend himself and his reflexes had slowed perceptibly." Massachusetts and the National Boxing Association concurred in the suspension. In February 1955, the NBA lifted the suspension after physicians in Boston found Pep fit to resume boxing. Pep would fight 51 times after losing to Perez, but he would never again box in New York.
• It has been alleged that Pep took a dive against Perez. Boxing historian Bert Sugar said of the fight: "It just smelled."
• A July 1980 Inside Sports magazine article by writer Paul Good alleged that a boxer, identified as "The Champ," threw a fight against Lulu Perez in 1954 for $16,000. The article was titled "The Fix." Good wrote: "The story, I believe, is true all the way. You could guess who 'The Champ' is, pull out some old clippings, read about a certain fight and confirm it. I won't name him because it could cost him his job." Pep's lawyer, Norman Ebenstein, said: "You cannot be of Wilie's generation and mine and not read that article and immediately say, 'Hey, that's Willie Pep.' For those who know boxing, there is no other person in the world who fits that description." Pep, who vehemently denied that he threw the fight, filed a $75 million libel suit against Good and Newsweek Inc., which owned Inside Sports. After a two-week trial in February 1984, the jury deliberated for just 15 minutes and ruled against Pep."

The last KD looks very theatrical to me.

• What do you think?

Willie Pep vs Lulu Perez - YouTube

3rd KD: I think Pep catches his fall with his gloves and eases himself down to the canvas.

Then at one moment, when the refree helps him to his feet he turns his head and focuses on his opponent like he is checking something out, then dangles his head back down to make it look good.

Check out the slow motion KD at 1:45 on the link above you can see him ease himself down and then watch him lift his susposed groggy head and focus.

Pure tank job!

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3rd KD: I think Pep catches his fall with his gloves and eases himself down to the canvas.

Then at one moment, when the refree helps him to his feet he turns his head and focuses on his opponent like he is checking something out, then dangles his head back down to make it look good.

Check out the slow motion KD at 1:45 on the link above you can see him ease himself down and then watch him lift his susposed groggy head and focus.

Pure tank job!

remember that back then boxers had to do a lot to get good fights. if we look at current fighters all negotiating fights for what seems like forever then imagine if the mafia etc controlled parts of it and on top of that betting on fights was huge without tech algorythims to throw up su****ious betting patterns.
you never know what was what back then. but pep in his prime was just so quick. of course you lot all are fully aware of this. so it's just like oscar's night trying to see who dived best in what fights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4aUnUVLWdQ