Mancini and Kim

[them_apples]

had this not tragedy not have happened, I wonder how far Mancini would have went. Clearly it did something to him.

[The D3vil]

Boxing would still be 15 rounds, too.

[Willie Pep 229]

Everytime a fighter kills another fighter we say 'it did something to his career.'

Maybe!

I'm certain it affects everyone at some level but I just don't automatically buy into the notion that they all suddenly held back and were never the same.

It's probably true sometimes, but we seem to say it about every fighter, after every ring death.

Occum's razor suggests that some just got old like everyone else, and lost someting.

Besides I am not sure I saw that much in Mancini that he could lose.

I don't believe it altered his career. But I am sure he would say it did, and those around him would say it did, and maybe it did.

[JAB5239]

I love Mancini the way I do Pazienza. But I view them both the same as well. Both very good fighters, and both very hittable and able to get beaten on any given night. As already stated, I'm sure killing someone takes something from you, but I have to believe once you're in the ring your subconscious reverts to a kill or be killed mentality. Not that anyone really wants to kill another person, but more a survival instinct in the ring or any other dangerous situation.

[Willie Pep 229]

I love Mancini the way I do Pazienza. But I view them both the same as well. Both very good fighters, and both very hittable and able to get beaten on any given night. As already stated, I'm sure killing someone takes something from you, but I have to believe once you're in the ring your subconscious reverts to a kill or be killed mentality. Not that anyone really wants to kill another person, but more a survival instinct in the ring or any other dangerous situation.

That's what I was trying to say, you just said it better.

I also added that WE tend to place the traumatized label on all that had the experience and probably shouldn't.

Is there any fighter who said, "No I'll never do that again," and quit? I think I remember reading (on here) about one.

[JAB5239]

That's what I was trying to say, you just said it better.

I also added that WE tend to place the traumatized label on all that had the experience and probably shouldn't.

Is there any fighter who said, "No I'll never do that again," and quit? I think I remember reading (on here) about one.

I don't know of any myself. Sitting here thinking about it, and what I know from my own experiences fighting I think people tend to think the effects of accidently killing someone in the ring appear like flashbacks in a Rocky movie. Have neither killed anyone or fought professionally I can only speak for myself, but once the bell rings, anything I was thinking about or was on my mind goes away. There is nothing but survival on my mind. There is no happiness, no anger, no fear, just the instinct to survive. Before and after the fight there are a lot of different emotions, but during the fight, that's it. I'd be interested in hearing the opinions and how other who have fought\fight feel in the ring.

[them_apples]

Yeah but the key difference is the fighters mother also committed suicide shortly after. This might effect a fighter more.

[JAB5239]

Yeah but the key difference is the fighters mother also committed suicide shortly after. This might effect a fighter more.

Hard to say without actually being in those shoes. I'm not saying it can't or doesn't, only that it's a topic more suited for a professional psychologist rather than myself. I can only identify my own feelings and psyche, and that is challenging enough sometimes.

[Rockin']

I don't know of any myself. Sitting here thinking about it, and what I know from my own experiences fighting I think people tend to think the effects of accidently killing someone in the ring appear like flashbacks in a Rocky movie. Have neither killed anyone or fought professionally I can only speak for myself, but once the bell rings, anything I was thinking about or was on my mind goes away. There is nothing but survival on my mind. There is no happiness, no anger, no fear, just the instinct to survive. Before and after the fight there are a lot of different emotions, but during the fight, that's it. I'd be interested in hearing the opinions and how other who have fought\fight feel in the ring.

At that moment, in between the bells, it's all that matters. There is no time to really think about anything else. And then when you are done, whatever was bothering you (before hand) is just gone.

.....................Rockin'

[them_apples]

Hard to say without actually being in those shoes. I'm not saying it can't or doesn't, only that it's a topic more suited for a professional psychologist rather than myself. I can only identify my own feelings and psyche, and that is challenging enough sometimes.

Also low key a lot of old pro boxers were sociopaths. I know Lamotta wouldn’t have cared, same with McClellan. But the list goes on.