Why does no one talk about Azumah Nelson?

[kara]

I can see several reasons why: 1. He didn't finish the career cycle. When we see a fighter at all phases of a career we know him better, there is more material to work with, we have seen him tested more thoroughly.

2. He just never was massively popular, though he had a very fine reputation, he never transcended boxing, never captured peoples' imaginations, just a surprisingly good fighter. He may have done enough for the lower end of ATGness.

3. He did not dominate the field, wipe out his diviision (I could be corrected here, maybe).

Reason number 2 for sure.

[Slugfester]

I re-watched Sanchez/Nelson last night. Without the 15th round stoppage Sanchez might have lose or drawn. The stoppage was justified to my eyes, especially if there were about 71 seconds to go, as the announcer said. Sanchez's title was in legitimate jeopardy, and he knew it. He was going to hurt Azhuma to keep it. He had time and he had power even in the 15th. I once read about him that after a strenuous round his pulse returned to normal in 48 seconds. Throughout this strenuous fight he is never breathing hard or even through his mouth. He must have had really clear sinuses.

[Willow The Wisp]

I re-watched Sanchez/Nelson last night. Without the 15th round stoppage Sanchez might have lose or drawn. The stoppage was justified to my eyes, especially if there were about 71 seconds to go, as the announcer said. Sanchez's title was in legitimate jeopardy, and he knew it. He was going to hurt Azhuma to keep it. He had time and he had power even in the 15th. I once read about him that after a strenuous round his pulse returned to normal in 48 seconds. Throughout this strenuous fight he is never breathing hard or even through his mouth. He must have had really clear sinuses.

Well afterall, Sanchez' nickname in Spanish was big nose.

[QueensburyRules]

I re-watched Sanchez/Nelson last night. Without the 15th round stoppage Sanchez might have lose or drawn. The stoppage was justified to my eyes, especially if there were about 71 seconds to go, as the announcer said. Sanchez's title was in legitimate jeopardy, and he knew it. He was going to hurt Azhuma to keep it. He had time and he had power even in the 15th. I once read about him that after a strenuous round his pulse returned to normal in 48 seconds. Throughout this strenuous fight he is never breathing hard or even through his mouth. He must have had really clear sinuses.

- - Too much faire dust for you, eh?

After 14 rounds: Artie Aidala 131-134 Tony Castellano 131-135 Al Reid 133-132

Never in any danger, and fact is I had it wider because he literally can't miss Nelson who's only defense was offensive effort. Sanchez had the best hand to foot coordination for boxing ever seen and his record age 23 better than Ray Leonard's entire fairie dust career...read it and weep yourself to sleep nightly like Jabbie has to do.

[The D3vil]

He's an African from Africa.

Boxing's a sport that has epicenters in America, Britain, Mexico, Japan, & a few other places

If you're not from one of those places, you're going to have to emigrate to one of those places & set up shop ala GGG & a lot of the Eastern Europeans who have to move to America or the Cubans that come here from Cuba, otherwise you're usually gonna be ignored & or forgotten

[Willow The Wisp]

Want to talk about Azumah Nelson?
Let's talk big picture.

Like nearly all places and peoples, Africa has a boxing history all it's own dating back thousands of years.
It is well known that in the territories of present-day Ethiopia, in Nubia, men were fighting boxing matches in the first millennium BC.
Invaded by the Egyptians in the 5th century BC, the banks of the Nile became a place where soldiers clashed in hand to hand combat to entertain kings and pharaohs.
Then as now, Africa men can fight!
The Hausa, which is the northeast portion of Hausaland, particularly modern Sudan and Chad, is the area that overlaps Kush, that is mentioned in the Old Testament; they compete, today, in Dambe boxing, which has several proprietary characteristics, such as stance, armament, and clothing, which are interestingly similar to ancient Egyptian, Greek, and Roman boxing scenes. The Dambe boxers traditionally wear loincloths (warki) (but they are now beginning to wear shorts), and cover their balled, dominant hands with a cloth strip (kara). The kara is secured to the hand, often with a knotted cord (zare), and the cloth-and-cord-covered hand is used only for striking and referred to as a “spear”; the non-dominant hand is called the “shield,” and is used to parry incoming blows.
The many nations and distinct cultures within Africa collectively boast a storied pugilistic history.



Listed here are some of the Greatest African Fighters of all time, listed in some semblanceof rank, for the purpose of showing where Azumah Nelson resides:

**** Tiger, Nigeria
Azumah Nelson, Ghana
Brian Mitchell, South Africa
Cornelius Boza-Edwards, Uganda
Battling Siki, Senagal
Ayub Kalule, Uganda
Hogan Kid Bassey, Nigeria
Gerrie Coetzee, South Africa
Alphonse Halimi, Algeria
John Mugabi, Uganda
David "Poison" Kotey, Ghana
Nkosana Mgxaji, South Africa
Welcome Ncita, South Africa
Ike Ibeabuchi, Nigeria
Souleymane Diallo, Senagal
Harold Volbrecht, South Africa
Willie Toweel, South Africa
Cherif Hamia, Algeria
Carlos Takam, Cameroon
David Kamau, Kenya
Nessim Max Cohen, Morocco
Lottie Mwale, Zambia
Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam, Cameroon
Young Perez, Tunisia
Jean Baptiste Mendy, Senagal
Ilunga Junior Makabu, D.R. Congo
Louis Acaries, Algeria
Martin Bakole, D.R. Congo
Vic Toweel, South Africa
Aissa Hashas, Algeria
Jacob "Baby Jake" Matlala, South Africa
Moruti Mthalane, South Africa
Assane Diouf, Senagal
Mustafa Wasajja, Uganda
Harry Simon, Namibia
Hoacine Khalfi, Algeria
Vuyani Bungu, South Africa
Omar Kid Le Noir, Algeria
Joshua Clottey, Ghana
Ahmed Sebane, Algeria
Nana Yaw Konadu, Ghana
Joe N'Gidi, South Africa
Abdelkader Ben Miloud, Morocco
Norman Sekgapane, South Africa
Willie Lu****, South Africa
David Izonritei, Nigeria
Rafiu King, Nigeria
Evans Ashira, Kenya
George Boar Rodel, South Africa
Zolani Tete, South Africa
Proud Killamajaro, Zimbabwe
Dramane Nabaloum, Burkina Faso
Mukonzi Yama Bami, Congo
Jonathan Dele, Nigeria
Roy Jacobs, Nigeria
Samuel Kebede, Ethiopia
Souleymane M'baye, Cameroon
Floyd Robertson, Ghana
Efe Ajagba, Nigeria
Sandy Manuel, Nigeria
Roy Ankrah, Ghana
Kalle Knotzee, South Africa
Joe Lasisi, Nigeria
Jimmy Elliott, South Africa
Bashiru Ali, Nigeria
Johnny van Rensburg, South Africa
Loucif Hamami, Algeria
Ray Adigun, Nigeria
Ali Ben Said, Morocco
Ajose Olusegun, Nigeria
Jules Touan, Côte D’Ivoire
Alex Bunema, D.R. Congo
Said Ouali, Morocco
Duncan Dokiwari, Nigeria
Ben Tackie, Ghana
Bola Lawal, Nigeria
Albert "Tiger" Ladou, Senagal
Khalid Rahilou, Morocco

[JAB5239]

Want to talk about Azumah Nelson?
Let's talk big picture.

Like nearly all places and peoples, Africa has a boxing history all it's own dating back thousands of years.
It is well known that in the territories of present-day Ethiopia, in Nubia, men were fighting boxing matches in the first millennium BC.
Invaded by the Egyptians in the 5th century BC, the banks of the Nile became a place where soldiers clashed in hand to hand combat to entertain kings and pharaohs.
Then as now, Africa men can fight!
The Hausa, which is the northeast portion of Hausaland, particularly modern Sudan and Chad, is the area that overlaps Kush, that is mentioned in the Old Testament; they compete, today, in Dambe boxing, which has several proprietary characteristics, such as stance, armament, and clothing, which are interestingly similar to ancient Egyptian, Greek, and Roman boxing scenes. The Dambe boxers traditionally wear loincloths (warki) (but they are now beginning to wear shorts), and cover their balled, dominant hands with a cloth strip (kara). The kara is secured to the hand, often with a knotted cord (zare), and the cloth-and-cord-covered hand is used only for striking and referred to as a “spear”; the non-dominant hand is called the “shield,” and is used to parry incoming blows.
The many nations and distinct cultures within Africa collectively boast a storied pugilistic history.



Listed here are some of the Greatest African Fighters of all time, listed in some semblanceof rank, for the purpose of showing where Azumah Nelson resides:

**** Tiger, Nigeria
Azumah Nelson, Ghana
Brian Mitchell, South Africa
Cornelius Boza-Edwards, Uganda
Battling Siki, Senagal
Ayub Kalule, Uganda
Hogan Kid Bassey, Nigeria
Gerrie Coetzee, South Africa
Alphonse Halimi, Algeria
John Mugabi, Uganda
David "Poison" Kotey, Ghana
Nkosana Mgxaji, South Africa
Welcome Ncita, South Africa
Ike Ibeabuchi, Nigeria
Souleymane Diallo, Senagal
Harold Volbrecht, South Africa
Willie Toweel, South Africa
Cherif Hamia, Algeria
Carlos Takam, Cameroon
David Kamau, Kenya
Nessim Max Cohen, Morocco
Lottie Mwale, Zambia
Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam, Cameroon
Young Perez, Tunisia
Jean Baptiste Mendy, Senagal
Ilunga Junior Makabu, D.R. Congo
Louis Acaries, Algeria
Martin Bakole, D.R. Congo
Vic Toweel, South Africa
Aissa Hashas, Algeria
Jacob "Baby Jake" Matlala, South Africa
Moruti Mthalane, South Africa
Assane Diouf, Senagal
Mustafa Wasajja, Uganda
Harry Simon, Namibia
Hoacine Khalfi, Algeria
Vuyani Bungu, South Africa
Omar Kid Le Noir, Algeria
Joshua Clottey, Ghana
Ahmed Sebane, Algeria
Nana Yaw Konadu, Ghana
Joe N'Gidi, South Africa
Abdelkader Ben Miloud, Morocco
Norman Sekgapane, South Africa
Willie Lu****, South Africa
David Izonritei, Nigeria
Rafiu King, Nigeria
Evans Ashira, Kenya
George Boar Rodel, South Africa
Zolani Tete, South Africa
Proud Killamajaro, Zimbabwe
Dramane Nabaloum, Burkina Faso
Mukonzi Yama Bami, Congo
Jonathan Dele, Nigeria
Roy Jacobs, Nigeria
Samuel Kebede, Ethiopia
Souleymane M'baye, Cameroon
Floyd Robertson, Ghana
Efe Ajagba, Nigeria
Sandy Manuel, Nigeria
Roy Ankrah, Ghana
Kalle Knotzee, South Africa
Joe Lasisi, Nigeria
Jimmy Elliott, South Africa
Bashiru Ali, Nigeria
Johnny van Rensburg, South Africa
Loucif Hamami, Algeria
Ray Adigun, Nigeria
Ali Ben Said, Morocco
Ajose Olusegun, Nigeria
Jules Touan, Côte D’Ivoire
Alex Bunema, D.R. Congo
Said Ouali, Morocco
Duncan Dokiwari, Nigeria
Ben Tackie, Ghana
Bola Lawal, Nigeria
Albert "Tiger" Ladou, Senagal
Khalid Rahilou, Morocco

Interesting list and great history lesson. Harry Simon is to low in my opinion, and though I never thought very highly of him as a fighter I was surprised not to see Sam Peter make the list. Azumha certainly shows his worth amongst great fighters from Africa, but the rest of the world as well.

[kara]

Interesting list and great history lesson. Harry Simon is to low in my opinion, and though I never thought very highly of him as a fighter I was surprised not to see Sam Peter make the list. Azumha certainly shows his worth amongst great fighters from Africa, but the rest of the world as well.

Azumah vs. Leija is an underrated rivalry

[max baer]

Want to talk about Azumah Nelson?
Let's talk big picture.

Like nearly all places and peoples, Africa has a boxing history all it's own dating back thousands of years.
It is well known that in the territories of present-day Ethiopia, in Nubia, men were fighting boxing matches in the first millennium BC.
Invaded by the Egyptians in the 5th century BC, the banks of the Nile became a place where soldiers clashed in hand to hand combat to entertain kings and pharaohs.
Then as now, Africa men can fight!
The Hausa, which is the northeast portion of Hausaland, particularly modern Sudan and Chad, is the area that overlaps Kush, that is mentioned in the Old Testament; they compete, today, in Dambe boxing, which has several proprietary characteristics, such as stance, armament, and clothing, which are interestingly similar to ancient Egyptian, Greek, and Roman boxing scenes. The Dambe boxers traditionally wear loincloths (warki) (but they are now beginning to wear shorts), and cover their balled, dominant hands with a cloth strip (kara). The kara is secured to the hand, often with a knotted cord (zare), and the cloth-and-cord-covered hand is used only for striking and referred to as a “spear”; the non-dominant hand is called the “shield,” and is used to parry incoming blows.
The many nations and distinct cultures within Africa collectively boast a storied pugilistic history.



Listed here are some of the Greatest African Fighters of all time, listed in some semblanceof rank, for the purpose of showing where Azumah Nelson resides:

**** Tiger, Nigeria
Azumah Nelson, Ghana
Brian Mitchell, South Africa
Cornelius Boza-Edwards, Uganda
Battling Siki, Senagal
Ayub Kalule, Uganda
Hogan Kid Bassey, Nigeria
Gerrie Coetzee, South Africa
Alphonse Halimi, Algeria
John Mugabi, Uganda
David "Poison" Kotey, Ghana
Nkosana Mgxaji, South Africa
Welcome Ncita, South Africa
Ike Ibeabuchi, Nigeria
Souleymane Diallo, Senagal
Harold Volbrecht, South Africa
Willie Toweel, South Africa
Cherif Hamia, Algeria
Carlos Takam, Cameroon
David Kamau, Kenya
Nessim Max Cohen, Morocco
Lottie Mwale, Zambia
Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam, Cameroon
Young Perez, Tunisia
Jean Baptiste Mendy, Senagal
Ilunga Junior Makabu, D.R. Congo
Louis Acaries, Algeria
Martin Bakole, D.R. Congo
Vic Toweel, South Africa
Aissa Hashas, Algeria
Jacob "Baby Jake" Matlala, South Africa
Moruti Mthalane, South Africa
Assane Diouf, Senagal
Mustafa Wasajja, Uganda
Harry Simon, Namibia
Hoacine Khalfi, Algeria
Vuyani Bungu, South Africa
Omar Kid Le Noir, Algeria
Joshua Clottey, Ghana
Ahmed Sebane, Algeria
Nana Yaw Konadu, Ghana
Joe N'Gidi, South Africa
Abdelkader Ben Miloud, Morocco
Norman Sekgapane, South Africa
Willie Lu****, South Africa
David Izonritei, Nigeria
Rafiu King, Nigeria
Evans Ashira, Kenya
George Boar Rodel, South Africa
Zolani Tete, South Africa
Proud Killamajaro, Zimbabwe
Dramane Nabaloum, Burkina Faso
Mukonzi Yama Bami, Congo
Jonathan Dele, Nigeria
Roy Jacobs, Nigeria
Samuel Kebede, Ethiopia
Souleymane M'baye, Cameroon
Floyd Robertson, Ghana
Efe Ajagba, Nigeria
Sandy Manuel, Nigeria
Roy Ankrah, Ghana
Kalle Knotzee, South Africa
Joe Lasisi, Nigeria
Jimmy Elliott, South Africa
Bashiru Ali, Nigeria
Johnny van Rensburg, South Africa
Loucif Hamami, Algeria
Ray Adigun, Nigeria
Ali Ben Said, Morocco
Ajose Olusegun, Nigeria
Jules Touan, Côte D’Ivoire
Alex Bunema, D.R. Congo
Said Ouali, Morocco
Duncan Dokiwari, Nigeria
Ben Tackie, Ghana
Bola Lawal, Nigeria
Albert "Tiger" Ladou, Senagal
Khalid Rahilou, Morocco

christ you are a seriously real proper ring historian.

[JAB5239]

Azumah vs. Leija is an underrated rivalry

Absolutely. Nelson said he liked him so much as a person he had a difficult time hitting him.