Top Ten Underappreciated

[The D3vil]

I just think that in the grand scheme of things, Charles rarely get's mentioned as one of the top ATG's. When in my mind, you could argue he's #1. But I do agree he get's his fair share of praise on Forums.

In regards to Ortiz, no he doesn't. For me, he's minimum top 3 Lightweight of all time. I have him at #1.

Whoa, you've got him above Duran & Leonard

[IronDanHamza]

Whoa, you've got him above Duran & Leonard

Yeah, I do.

I think his resume is definitely better than Duran's. Leonard's maybe, maybe not.

I wouldn't argue if someone were to have Duran or Leonard above him though.

For Duran it would have to be H2H reasoning, although I could see Ortiz beating Duran at LW also. I think Duran is generally overrated on ATG lists for the most part.

[max baer]

Not only underappreciated but also do not generate much chatter among fans or on forums.
You might have a different idea.

1 Henry Armstrong
2 Mickey Walker
3 Sonny Liston
4 Gene Fullmer
5 Benny Leonard
6 Charley Burley?
7 Tiger Flowers
8 **** Tiger
9 Mike Gibbons
10 Hector Camacho

otto wallin is a very good boxer people never talk much about him

[Ivich]

Not only underappreciated but also do not generate much chatter among fans or on forums.
You might have a different idea.

1 Henry Armstrong
2 Mickey Walker
3 Sonny Liston
4 Gene Fullmer
5 Benny Leonard
6 Charley Burley?
7 Tiger Flowers
8 **** Tiger
9 Mike Gibbons
10 Hector Camacho

Georgie Abrams?
Beat
Belloise
Raa****
Soosex2
Welch
Yarosz
Brouillard
Drew with
Soose
Burley
Hennebury

[IronDanHamza]

Georgie Abrams?
Beat
Belloise
Raa****
Soosex2
Welch
Yarosz
Brouillard
Drew with
Soose
Burley
Hennebury

Yarosz, great example.

[Willow The Wisp]

Good thread Slugfester. I guess underappreciated is interchangeable with underrated in this context, and is very relative predicated on the depth of knowledge.

I note immediately that each of your 10 listed fighters are in fact Hall-of-Famers, and that is singularity the highest recognition that a fighter can achieve in this sport, so amongst those with any true understanding of hand to hand combat & combat sports, those ten are appreciated fully.
But I understand what you're saying here.

Guaging by 'chatter among fans on forums is something that has to be framed with the acknowledgment that only a small percentage of posters know the history of boxing, and most just follow the headlines.

It's probably just me, but If I were to produce 10 who remain truly underappreciated, I would select "deep cuts", and here are 10 random examples:


1. Ceferino Garcia. 1923-1945
2. George Rose. 1926-1937
3. Jimmy Goodrich. 1918-1930
4. Baby Joe Gans. 1922-1937
5. Eddie Compo. 1944-1955
6. Pedler Palmer. 1891-1919
7. Rafael "Bazooka" Limon. 1972-1994
8. Al Foreman. 1920-1934
9. Jimmy Leto. 1924-1943
10.Bob Claroux. 1957-1969

[Willow The Wisp]

Georgie Abrams?
Beat
Belloise
Raa****
Soosex2
Welch
Yarosz
Brouillard
Drew with
Soose
Burley
Hennebury

Spot on, great pick.

[JAB5239]

Billy Conn. The only time you hear his name mentioned is when discussing the Louis fights. His resume at middleweight and lightheavyweight are very impressive.

[GhostofDempsey]

Emile Griffith
Luis Rodriguez
Jose Napoles
Billy Graham
Tony Canzoneri
Sammy Angott
Johnny Tapia
Ike Williams
Beau Jack
Carlos Ortiz
Fidel LaBarba
Lou Ambers

[Slugfester]

Good thread Slugfester. I guess underappreciated is interchangeable with underrated in this context, and is very relative predicated on the depth of knowledge.

I note immediately that each of your 10 listed fighters are in fact Hall-of-Famers, and that is singularity the highest recognition that a fighter can achieve in this sport, so amongst those with any true understanding of hand to hand combat & combat sports, those ten are appreciated fully.
But I understand what you're saying here.

Guaging by 'chatter among fans on forums is something that has to be framed with the acknowledgment that only a small percentage of posters know the history of boxing, and most just follow the headlines.

It's probably just me, but If I were to produce 10 who remain truly underappreciated, I would select "deep cuts", and here are 10 random examples:


1. Ceferino Garcia. 1923-1945
2. George Rose. 1926-1937
3. Jimmy Goodrich. 1918-1930
4. Baby Joe Gans. 1922-1937
5. Eddie Compo. 1944-1955
6. Pedler Palmer. 1891-1919
7. Rafael "Bazooka" Limon. 1972-1994
8. Al Foreman. 1920-1934
9. Jimmy Leto. 1924-1943
10.Bob Claroux. 1957-1969

Yes, they are in the HOF, which might make it more peculiar that they are semi-ignored. Some of the guys on my list couldn't break an egg. I believe they are the most ignored because they couldn't punch and were rather boring. Some quite effective, but all boring. If you can't punch, your defense had be pretty spectacular, if you want any love.

Not sure what your list is supposed to show. You have a bunch of guys that are not very famous, at least these days. I don't expect most of them to get much attention, I don't know why you do. No great fighters on your list that I know of. And I don't see how you could know enough about them to know whether their avoidance is deserved. Two of them were born in the 19th century. Almost all of their careers preceded the age of television. How much can you know about them?

I accept your submission, though baffled by its intended import. You may have meant something else. Explain to me again your reasoning behind that list, if you will. I Hate to go away missing something. Deep cut was somewhat of a mysterious phrase. You have to be real plain for a dummy like me.