Since heavyweights of bygone eras were so light...

[billeau2]

I agree He would he be heavier. And more sluggish. Its a myth that packing on weight in a boxing match is beneficial, unless the fighter was drained and needs to move up. Ideal weight is the goal. If a fighter needs to be a bit heavier then so be it, but 99% of heavyweights today are carrying way to much weight. Many of them might be cruisers but well never know.

when I look at Tyson Fury, even as tall as he is and 250+ lbs, I think Fury could drop 30-40 lbs, hes carrying that all as lard. If he did it quickly it wouldnâÂÂt benefit him, had he trained his whole career lighter though - he would learn to fight quicker and with more agility because everything is easier when lighter.

we saw Wilder come in lighter than Joe Louis (who fought charles) so imo this super heavyweight idea is a combination of freak show tactics and just better quality footage which makes fighters seem bigger. On the scale though and framewise I beg to differ.

Buddy Baer - 6 ft 6 250 lbs
Jess Willard 6 ft 7 (some say 6 ft 8) 240 lbs
Primo Carnera 6 ft 5 240+ lbs
Gerry Cooney 6 ft 6 235 lbs (cooney was a solid boxer at least)

I would rank Fury and Joshua in this same group overall. If this was the division they would all be competitive fights and IâÂÂd take Cooney as the victor, Fury second. With guys like Anthony Joshua, he was 237 lbs in his fight with Ruiz, and he still looks like a body builder. I think judging by his thin face and glass jaw, Joshua is actually a tall and lean 215 lbder.



just freaks brought in because its a draw. The big guys today are no better, although Fury displays some ring IQ better than the rest - heâÂÂs no master boxer. Squeaking out a decision over an old Wlad and knocking out Wilder are making him look good - partly because he rose to the occasion. However, any great sound boxer would knock Wilder out because Wilder doesnâÂÂt defend himself and his legs are glued to the ground because heâÂÂs so top heavy. Michael Moorer is much smaller than Wilder, but he would knock Wilder out and easily. Moore is technically sound, his movements are smooth and hard to read. Everything works off perpetual rythms . Wilder is stiff with no fundamentals, someone who got famous for swinging on over matched oponents.

I truly believe that is only a slight exxageration, if at all. (the bolded).

[QueensburyRules]

Well a current heavyweight champ is a cruiser soâ¦

- - Current Hvy champ is Olympic Gold Heavy as opposed to Ali LHeavy Gold.

Did you really ever box and not know these things?

[Willow The Wisp]

[max baer]

Fury's dad said on an interview that he was best around 18-19 stone. He said that when Fury dropped to 17-18 stone he lost his punch power quite a lot so that extra stone of weight made a big difference to him and his punch power.
if we go back to dempsey's era you couldn't carry loads of muscles as the fights went on all f**ing day! they needed to be slender to have stamina.
ps sorry about using stones but i cannot do kilos as i grew up doing stones and feet and inches it's too late now to change.

[billeau2]

Something else to think about. Toney weighed a good bit when he fought heavyweight but he was never a natural heavyweight. Weight is just one aspect of size. Liston to me, and perhaps Ike Ibeuchi had the most perfect physique for a heavyweight.

[Slugfester]

Good subject, but it is called cherry picking. You could always find a few super heavyweight matchups, if you look hard enough and that is your only criterion. I think you could find a match between two Episcopals, if you tried hard enough.

Sure, a freak matchup here and there. But does anyone claim that, as a whole, yesteryear's heavies were as big as today's? I never heard it claimed. I think the reason is you can't cherry pick that data.

Giant boxers of yesteryear were without fail mediocre, as if conforming unconsciously to the pejorative myth about giants in boxing. Buddy Baer, Willard and Carnera all fit the mediocre category quite comfortably IMO, and they are the best of the giants of yesteryear. So, yes, while a few big (sluggards not sluggers) did compete against each other, it was a rare freak show, not the norm. These days 465 lbs is not an awesome lot of meat for a heavyweight fight anyway.

[them_apples]

Fury's dad said on an interview that he was best around 18-19 stone. He said that when Fury dropped to 17-18 stone he lost his punch power quite a lot so that extra stone of weight made a big difference to him and his punch power.
if we go back to dempsey's era you couldn't carry loads of muscles as the fights went on all f**ing day! they needed to be slender to have stamina.
ps sorry about using stones but i cannot do kilos as i grew up doing stones and feet and inches it's too late now to change.

Thats because he fought most of his career heavier. Had he adjusted and became strong at a lighter weight, it would have benefitted him. I know genetically he almost can’t get ripped. He’s skinny fat. So he builds muscle slower and gains wait easier. Probably a side effect of being born premature. Where Fury does shine is his ring IQ and his personality. He’s got the right mentality for boxing and holds an edge mentally over the current pack.

the skillset is really underwhelming. I guess for a man his size thats impressive. P4p though he only is looking so good because of the opponents he’s in with. Wilder made him look like George Benton because Wilder just swings and telegraphs everything he throws, even his jab. His balance is bad. He just hits hard and is willing to hit someone hard as well. Thats it. He’s got very little craft or thought put into his style.

[max baer]

Thats because he fought most of his career heavier. Had he adjusted and became strong at a lighter weight, it would have benefitted him. I know genetically he almost canât get ripped. Heâs skinny fat. So he builds muscle slower and gains wait easier. Probably a side effect of being born premature. Where Fury does shine is his ring IQ and his personality. Heâs got the right mentality for boxing and holds an edge mentally over the current pack.

the skillset is really underwhelming. I guess for a man his size thats impressive. P4p though he only is looking so good because of the opponents heâs in with. Wilder made him look like George Benton because Wilder just swings and telegraphs everything he throws, even his jab. His balance is bad. He just hits hard and is willing to hit someone hard as well. Thats it. Heâs got very little craft or thought put into his style.

i'm not going to disagree with you as you are a boxer and know your art.
Funny thing I've known him since he was a boy and as a 16 year old he was built like a gymnast he was extremely muscled for his age just like iron mike he was very strong and muscled for his age. But he never took seriously things like diet and body weight. He used to balloon up after a fight and down again for his next fight. He had very little in the way of sports science that the klitschko's have been educated in. I think they both have sports science degrees. Fury only took his diet seriously in his comeback. Before that he only trained hard, and he did train very hard, just that after a fight he'd not look after himself too good.
Most of the time before his comeback his training for a fight was like fat camp as he says so himself. it is his culture he doesn't come at boxing like the sports science and aba mindset.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Current Hvy champ is Olympic Gold Heavy as opposed to Ali LHeavy Gold.

Did you really ever box and not know these things?

- - No, themapples is just a scattered free form streaming AI consciousness implant into a zombie.

[max baer]

Something else to think about. Toney weighed a good bit when he fought heavyweight but he was never a natural heavyweight. Weight is just one aspect of size. Liston to me, and perhaps Ike Ibeuchi had the most perfect physique for a heavyweight.

yeah ike was so damn well built. he was so strong and powerful and skilled. i watched a yt video on him and it was sad he was bi polar and went untreated and led to him going off the rails.