True Gentleman Of Heavyweight Champs

[Willie Pep 229]

Black fighters of Langford's day up until Louis probably had to be extra polite and gentlemanly, with the notable exception of Johnson. I know Louis's people worked hard on getting him to behave like a black man whites would accept. Don't gloat, never stand over a fallen opponent, etc. You can bet they also said no white women, which for Joe that was a step too far.

Yea but it was worth it. Louis's gentlemanly behavior changed sport in America.

Louis taught White America to accept that a black man could be a dominate athlete.

Had there been no Louis first there would not have been a Jackie Robinson.

Jack Johnson had the opportunity to fill that role but was too narcissistic, allowing neither the Black nor White community to embrace him.

Harry Wills could have also filled the bill. Had he been given an opportunity. Wills was able to get New York City to embrace him as an uncrowned champion. Had he won the title I suspect he could have gotten the job done across the nation just as Louis did.

Unfortunately that opportunity fell in the wrong hands with Jack Johnson.

But in the end Louis got the job done. It needed doing, right or wrong.

[soul_survivor]

- - How about you and your l'l buddy Ivitch bonk your noggins along with your ruby slippers together to find where I ever stated Ali left the Islamic religion.

I have a link that can provide you two with TinkerBell and PeterPan internet guides if need be...

Just directly quoting here "Ali left that long discredited Islamic faith as soon as Elijah passed...."

[QueensburyRules]

Just directly quoting here "Ali left that long discredited Islamic faith as soon as Elijah passed...."

- - What part of that don't you understand?

Oh, that's right, the part about as soon as Elijah passed, both Ali and Herbert left the NOI for a historic mainstream Sunni form of Islam, ie he still sees himself as ******.

You been hidin' out on the Mother Ship on the Dark Side of the Moon?

[soul_survivor]

- - What part of that don't you understand?

Oh, that's right, the part about as soon as Elijah passed, both Ali and Herbert left the NOI for a historic mainstream Sunni form of Islam, ie he still sees himself as ******.

You been hidin' out on the Mother Ship on the Dark Side of the Moon?

Your own words, the Islamic faith. not mine.

NOI has not been considered as part of the Islamic Faith since the 70s when the ****** world started to gain a better understanding of their cred. And now they are more akin to scientology than a monotheistic faith.

Plus, your insults dont even make sense. Is English your 3rd or 4th language?

[QueensburyRules]

Just directly quoting here "Ali left that long discredited Islamic faith as soon as Elijah passed...."

- - What part of that don't you understand?

Oh, that's right, the part about as soon as Elijah passed, both Ali and Herbert left the NOI...duh!!!

We all know they both moved for a traditional mainstream Sunni. I never stated Ali left the Islamic faith.

That would be as dum as you.

[soul_survivor]

- - What part of that don't you understand?

Oh, that's right, the part about as soon as Elijah passed, both Ali and Herbert left the NOI...duh!!!

We all know they both moved for a traditional mainstream Sunni. I never stated Ali left the Islamic faith.

That would be as dum as you.

Bro you really are just using technicalities now when you should just admit you were wrong!

[Willie Pep 229]

Bro you really are just using technicalities now when you should just admit you were wrong!

No he's not using technicalities. He did say 'that long discredited Islamic faith.'

But he was incomplete in his statement, so later on he added that Ali stayed a ****** in the more traditional Sunni dogma.

Here's the thing. I have been around for a few years now and Queen has made this statement multiple times, including the part about Ali moving to the more acceptable Sunni dogma.

I am not saying this is true, I don't know. But Queen didn't just pull the second part (the move to the Sunni dogma) out his ass, to save face in this argument, he has said that same thing for several years.

[soul_survivor]

No he's not using technicalities. He did say 'that long discredited Islamic faith.'

But he was incomplete in his statement, so later on he added that Ali stayed a ****** in the more traditional Sunni dogma.

First off, I've been around man years too and the history section is often filled with puffed up Bert Sugar wanabes.

No need for you to defend the other guy, and your statement is completely wrong "But he was incomplete in his statement, so later on he added that Ali stayed a ****** in the more traditional Sunni dogma."...because it was only when I called him out...and heck even then he didn't use the term sunni, I doubt he or you even know what it is. In fact, if you did KNOW what it meant then you wouldn't even be labelling the NOI as Islamic in the first place. Seriously, the level of discourse here, which wasn't ever intelligent to begin with has truly dropped into the gutter in the time I've been away.

[BattlingNelson]

Is there anything bad to say about Ingemar Johansson?

[Slugfester]

First off, I've been around man years too and the history section is often filled with puffed up Bert Sugar wanabes.

No need for you to defend the other guy, and your statement is completely wrong "But he was incomplete in his statement, so later on he added that Ali stayed a ****** in the more traditional Sunni dogma."...because it was only when I called him out...and heck even then he didn't use the term sunni, I doubt he or you even know what it is. In fact, if you did KNOW what it meant then you wouldn't even be labelling the NOI as Islamic in the first place. Seriously, the level of discourse here, which wasn't ever intelligent to begin with has truly dropped into the gutter in the time I've been away.

It only took me about two weeks to figure out that he makes up almost everything he says. It's all for shock value.