True Gentleman Of Heavyweight Champs

[QueensburyRules]

Interesting story. Just read a little more on Wiki.

I think late betting money is over-stated as evidence to a fix.

They say that Dempsey was poisoned the night of Tunney (I) and that over a four day period Dempsey slipped from a 4-1 favorite down to a 7-5 underdog at ringside. That's much 'late Tunney money' came into play.

Enter AR "The Brain" --> but who knows!

That all the Brewster money, showed up in the final two days, isn't that unusual; coukd well be just big betters waiting to see how far the odds will stretch.

Also I never really understood how a gangster is suspose to lay big bets under a conspiracy plan to poision a fighter? What if it goes wrong?

A fix is suspose to be a 'sure thing' -- whether the poision will be administed at the proper time; or even knowing that the whole damn conspiracy will work two days before the fight seems unlikely.

You have to know the poison is already in his body before betting. Then trying to time that reaction, at the right time during the fight, two days before the fights seems impossible.

Late betting money, to me, means little.

On the other hand. Wald's behavior in the ring was unprecedented behavior for me. Not before or since have I seen a fighter act in that manner.

- - Pep, like I stated after a huge chunk of $$$ from UK was placed on Brewster, the major betting shops shutdown future bets to protect themselves, standard business practices for the profession.

Any late $$$ on Brewster would have to be through mom and pop operations, so I'd think they wouldn't want to risk bankruptcy either, but I never heard of such a thing back in the day, so not sure if that really happened.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Pep, like I stated after a huge chunk of $$$ from UK was placed on Brewster, the major betting shops shutdown future bets to protect themselves, standard business practices for the profession.

Any late $$$ on Brewster would have to be through mom and pop operations, so I'd think they wouldn't want to risk bankruptcy either, but I never heard of such a thing back in the day, so not sure if that really happened.

OK --> everyday there were a few 'bad numbers' the runners wouldn't let you play. -->

I believe that Vegas never actually went above 20-1 on Douglas-Tyson. They shut down that betting for obviously a different reason. But I get your point. -->

BTW The 42-1 odds that were announced by HBO was based on what the sports bets would have had to pay if they hadn't limited the odds to 20-1, but then shut down the betting early anyway.

[mrbig1]

I'm going with Patterson.

[soul_survivor]

Floyd is my choice too. Total sincerity and modesty. Not too common in boxing.

He was a useless champ and way too overrated. Modesty? More like staying quiet while his people were literally getting killed.

[Willie Pep 229]

He was a useless champ and way too overrated. Modesty? More like staying quiet while his people were literally getting killed.

How is a champ useless ?

Who actually died?

[Slugfester]

He was a useless champ and way too overrated. Modesty? More like staying quiet while his people were literally getting killed.

Judging the past by present values is Woke Cancel Culture nonsense to me. Floyd was probably the most well-spoken and polite Heavyweight champ, at least in my view. His level of erudition is what surprised me. Sometimes it is assumed that certain people are quiet because they are dumb and have nothing to say. Floyd was not dumb just quiet.

[soul_survivor]

Judging the past by present values is Woke Cancel Culture nonsense to me. Floyd was probably the most well-spoken and polite Heavyweight champ, at least in my view. His level of erudition is what surprised me. Sometimes it is assumed that certain people are quiet because they are dumb and have nothing to say. Floyd was not dumb just quiet.

I'm not judging by modern standards....even by the early to mid 60s, let alone the 70s, black athletes were standing up in the civil rights struggle. Floyd at his highest level of fame never did and instead was content with trying to garner fans by discrediting Ali's Islamic faith.

[Slugfester]

- - Most excellent, Max. He risked his life when he took on two ***ish Boys from a friend to squirrel away in his hotel room until he could arrange someone to smuggle them out of Germany, probably through France. Some new idiot with a platform was making horrible International accusations against Max who lived to be 99 yrs old.

It was so bad that the two boys, now accomplished adults, broke their silence to tell Max's story, and Poof, tabloid pit bull disappeared. Folks rallied for another greater appreciation of Max than before.

There is a difference between a gentleman and an excellent man of humanity. I never heard of a fireman being called a gentleman for rescuing someone. It is indeed related to a gentleman, and of course Max was just a hero with excellent gentlemanly skills too. Max would probably win for humanitarian action.

[QueensburyRules]

I'm not judging by modern standards....even by the early to mid 60s, let alone the 70s, black athletes were standing up in the civil rights struggle. Floyd at his highest level of fame never did and instead was content with trying to garner fans by discrediting Ali's Islamic faith.

- - Ali left that long discredited Islamic faith as soon as Elijah passed. He saw what happened to Malcolm and didn't want that for he and his family, so Floyd was the righteous one, not Ali nor YOU.

You're mistaken about Floyd who was more in tune with Martin Luther King as most blacks and whites were in that era who got most of the Civil Rights bills passed in that era.

BTW, Prof Harry Edwards in full radical sway in 1968, it was his influence that prompted the black gloved fisted protest salute by Tommy Smith and John Carlos that caused such an international stir. However, few remember Mexican troops fired upon Mexican Citizens protesting the Mex Govt using Social Program $$$ to finance the $$$ Sinkhole of hosting The Olympic Games.

Later when Big George with scarcely 20 ama fights scattered professional Cuban and Russian Heavies to the winds for an unexpected Gold Medal, Prof Edwards demanded George be kicked out of Olympic Village after waving a teensie American flag his GF had put in his equipment bag.

George was a successful result of the prevailing social programs instituted during the raucous 60s, and Harry being insecure in his political beliefs couldn't handle an innocent 19 year old kid outshining his protest.

Now you know, but will it make any difference?

[Willie Pep 229]

Civil Rights Movement --- The Black Power Movement. Two different things.

When Rosa Parkes refused to give up her seat on the bus she was saying: "I am American, who just happens to be black."

When Tommy Smith raised his fisted glove above his head, he was saying: I am a Black man, who just happen to be American.

Ali was Black power; Patterson a civil rights supporter.