Sports and the importance of size debate

[Willow The Wisp]

Too vague? Try this: Primo, Buddy and Skysc****r Abe were Not as good as either Klitschko (especially Wladimir), but they would have prepared Louis well for facing the K's. Particularly given the ease with which Joe responded to their size. But WHO did Vitali ever face that would serve as good preparation for Joe Louis?

[QueensburyRules]

He never beat a skilled super heavyweight either! Carnera was washed up and no one considers him skilled! Fact he was beaten badly by three sub 200 pound men, lucky to beat another and would have lost to168 pound Billy Conn. Wake up and admit this, then extrapolate if you can how he would do today Go on try.

- - Perhaps you need a wokening.

Louis was just 21 years old taking on a 28 yr old former champ with a record of 82-7 as a gargantuan man killer. When has the last 21 year old heavy prospect ever matched Louis since then? He also took on 2 other former heavy champs in Sharkey, and then Schmeling who was quite fortunate to derail him.

Knocking out Conn twice obviously impressive enough to have you casting about for who knows what moaning about Louis for the rest of your life.

[Willie Pep 229]

Louis defeated six HW champions/current, former & future, and lost to two more. Has any other HW done that?

Fought eight HW Champions?

[Ivich]

He was past his best! Should I quote Louis on Carnera?

Sure Wlad was upset by Purity. Now can we compare his record and his opponents to others? Do you really want to go there? YKSAB

Yes, Walcott who lost 13 times was robbed in the Louis 1 fight! No the 168 pound Billy Conn who Wlad would dominate is was not past his prime vs Louis. But if the fight was 12 rounds he is likely the winner.

You reply is nonsense.

You have zero to prove no 2 ranked 28years old Carnera was past his best when he fought Louis.
Why was he past his best?
You don't seriously think anyone here takes your word for anything do you?

Nat Fleischer and the Ring magazine obviously did not think Primo was shot they ranked him no 2!
And Fleischer was evaluating him from a ringside seat not from grainy old film clips 90 years later!

Carnera had lost 6 fights out of 69, 1 to Franz diener by dsq in his 6th fight,1 to Gains,1 to Stribling,1 to Sharkey, I to Baer,1 to Poreda, [ the decision was so bad the referee was suspended for that one! ]And 1 to Jim Maloney.
Stribling was ranked no1
Sharkey was ranked no 1
Poreda was ranked no8
Baer was ranked no 1.
Look around here? Is anybody agreeing with your absurd premise?
You have consistently knocked Louis since you came here after being banned for life from Classic ESB and you have met with nothing but well deserved scorn and ridicule.
What does that say to you?

[QueensburyRules]

Louis defeated six HW champions/current, former & future, and lost to two more. Has any other HW done that?

Fought eight HW Champions?

- - Got a bit dizzy, but Wlad had 17 + or - of such fights.

*** 4 Belt era disclaimer...

Wlad also the only fighter to exceed in part the great Louis record in title fights.

[Ivich]

- - Got a bit dizzy, but Wlad had 17 + or - of such fights.

*** 4 Belt era disclaimer...

Wlad also the only fighter to exceed in part the great Louis record in title fights.

Alphabet soup fights.

[QueensburyRules]

Alphabet soup fights.

- - You on Alphabet snail doodles soup diet yet?

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Got a bit dizzy, but Wlad had 17 + or - of such fights.

*** 4 Belt era disclaimer...

Wlad also the only fighter to exceed in part the great Louis record in title fights.

OK . . . So how many "actual" HW Champions did he fight and/or defeat?

All I count are Hasim Rahman (a one fight champion) and loses to Josuha and Fury, at the end of his career.

Timing of course has much to do with it, added to the dominante length of his title run, negated opportunities, so there were limited chances to face other HW Champions.

[Dr. Z]

Too vague? Try this: Primo, Buddy and Skysc****r Abe were Not as good as either Klitschko (especially Wladimir), but they would have prepared Louis well for facing the K's. Particularly given the ease with which Joe responded to their size. But WHO did Vitali ever face that would serve as good preparation for Joe Louis?

Who did he beat nearly a good and like Klitschko? Hitting a chinny man like Carrera so many times before the ref stopped to or taking a bipedal punching bag like Abe Simon 11 rounds means jack carp. We can see them on film. There are not in the class of modern super heavyweights with skill and certainly would not prepare Louis to fight one. The heavyweight division in Louis time was dog poop. Ring Magazine called it the most decades of heavyweight talent. And as we know Louis only fought two African American in title fights and zero Eastern Europeans Europeans in title fights.

[JAB5239]

- - Got a bit dizzy, but Wlad had 17 + or - of such fights.

*** 4 Belt era disclaimer...

Wlad also the only fighter to exceed in part the great Louis record in title fights.

11 successful defenses as lineal champion isn't even close.