Round Robin. Dempsey,Louis,Marciano.Tyson.Who Comes Out On Top?

[Hooded Terror]

Agree Dempsey indugled himself by sitting on the title. We the fans lost out. He probably could have beaten Tunney if he took him in 1924.

Let me offer two mitigations . . . He had one hell of a climb, and a short brtual reign) that probably left him exhausted by 1924. He was no Cassius Clay Olympic Champion or even a Joe Frazier, both financed by the wealthy men, rich guys' hobby, e.g. race horses, sail boats, boxers. Dempsey had to barnstorm often for bet money.

Second IMO Dempsey lost faith in Doc Kearns after the fiasco in Shelby (Tommy Gibbons) summer 1923.

After that Dempsey fought again in September 1923 agsinst Firpo in New York, for Tex Rickard. Rickard got him 500K plus - Dempsey had to surrender half of that to Kearns.

Dempsey believed his handshake contract with Kearns ended with 1926. He showed no sign of wanting to fight again until after New Year's 1926.

Kearns of course would chase him (sue him) for the Tunney and Sharkey purses, of '26 and '27, but not get any.

I think Dempsey took 1924 off from exhaustion and then decided it was to his (big) economic advantage (50%) to wait one more year until '26.

P.S. After dumping Kearns Dempsey replaced him with Floyd Fitzsimmons. Fitz seems to be an old friend. He promoted the Miske fight; he took Dempsey into the ill fated Wills contract with a Chicago Athletic Club. Then finally appearing in Dempsey's camp as sopkesperson for Tunney I ('26).

After the Miske fight Dempsey bought Fitz's wife a 15K car as a gift, in a 1920 economy (Model T $650). I wonder if it was some type of Fighter-Promoter tax dodge?

Everytime I read one of your posts, you go up a notch in my books. Excellent response.

[Hooded Terror]

Dempsey's hand wraps were checked as they were applied , Walter Monahan, Willard's chief second doing the observing .Willard inspected Dempsey's hands in the ring. Dempsey broke the jaw in two places of sparring partner 7ft ,300lbs Big Ben Wray,with one left hook.

The rumor dogged Dempsey forever. Still, he never punched a hole in a cement wall as did Tyson. Good times!

[QueensburyRules]

Agree Dempsey indugled himself by sitting on the title. We the fans lost out. He probably could have beaten Tunney if he took him in 1924.

Let me offer two mitigations . . . He had one hell of a climb, and a short brtual reign) that probably left him exhausted by 1924. He was no Cassius Clay Olympic Champion or even a Joe Frazier, both financed by the wealthy men, rich guys' hobby, e.g. race horses, sail boats, boxers. Dempsey had to barnstorm often for bet money.

Second IMO Dempsey lost faith in Doc Kearns after the fiasco in Shelby (Tommy Gibbons) summer 1923.

After that Dempsey fought again in September 1923 agsinst Firpo in New York, for Tex Rickard. Rickard got him 500K plus - Dempsey had to surrender half of that to Kearns.

Dempsey believed his handshake contract with Kearns ended with 1926. He showed no sign of wanting to fight again until after New Year's 1926.

Kearns of course would chase him (sue him) for the Tunney and Sharkey purses, of '26 and '27, but not get any.

I think Dempsey took 1924 off from exhaustion and then decided it was to his (big) economic advantage (50%) to wait one more year until '26.

P.S. After dumping Kearns Dempsey replaced him with Floyd Fitzsimmons. Fitz seems to be an old friend. He promoted the Miske fight; he took Dempsey into the ill fated Wills contract with a Chicago Athletic Club. Then finally appearing in Dempsey's camp as sopkesperson for Tunney I ('26).

After the Miske fight Dempsey bought Fitz's wife a 15K car as a gift, in a 1920 economy (Model T $650). I wonder if it was some type of Fighter-Promoter tax dodge?

- - Pep, make you Jack Dempsey now married to a Hollywood Beauty that Kearns had no power to prevent, so lessee:

1. Make your $$$ in Hollywood where they adore you where he takes his spar mate Big Bill Tate to stay in sparring shape whilst pursuing the Will's bout with his own means?

or

2. Stay with Kearns to prevent him from attaching you bank account to the tune of 50% purse tributes? Kearns and that NY Shyster from early in his career were still active trying to attach his Tunney purses as I recall.

or

3. Announce your retirement to go full >>>> in Hollywood?