Thoughts on Joshua's place in HISTORY

[Willow The Wisp]

Vitali didn't toy with an old and unmotivated Lennox Lewis who had his eyes on Hollywood, did he?

He certainly aint gonna toy with somebody with the right-had of Wilder or the size & skills of Fury.

The Klitschkos were lucky to be in the era of big stiffs or overmatched smaller guys like David Haye & Eddie Chambers.

You are right. And that's That.

[Willow The Wisp]

To be honest, Vitali Klitschko would toy with Joshua, Wilder and Fury.

I don`t think these three will be remembered as some special fighters.

A stiff and upright bleeder who fought modest opposition and failed to last the distance with a half retired Lennox Lewis, or a blown up Super Middleweight Chris Byrd, and got flattened by Pele (for Pete's sake) Reid; could beat Fury, Wilder and Joshua???
Based on projections about fights that he never had????

Sufficient to say thay I...RESPECTFULLY question that accretion.

It really isn't all that different than saying that
Marat Jumanaliev, Kevin Babineaux, Baby Joe Mesi, Horace Notice, Rostislav Plechko, Ladyslav Sirenko and Taishan Dong were never defeated and I'm projecting that they NEVER would BE beaten, no matter who they fought! But It's just projecting outside their body of work. The work they did as all you can credit them with, and it wasn't all that much, even if they had great statistics.

I'm being funny here, but also informative.
I respect Vitali a great deal, and what he's done both in the ring and out. Anybody who doesn't is a fool, and that includes little ****tators strugging for a buffer area from fast growing NATO members.

[Willow The Wisp]

As ATG goes --> Wilder is a no go, he's done. AJ is still a maybe and Fury is on track.

Fury needs to fight at least one, maybe two more guys we THINK can beat him. Then he'll get an ATG remembrance.

Wilder-Fury II &III only became a big fights because Wilder took him the distance first time out (with a KD). After that Wilder jlooked outmatched.

I would suggest a slow down and a pumping of the brakes. If I respond to a poster here it most often means I have respect for their body of work posting here. Both Fury and Wilder are going to be enshrined into the IBHOF, and becoming enshrined in the IBHOF, regardless of fan opinions about the enshrined members or the institution itself, is the ultimate plateau that a professional boxer can reach. There isn't a writer or historian worth a nickel in the world who would dare dispute any of that.
That is not a challenge to your expertise my friend, but simply a kind and supportive level set.
Let's see if Wilder gets in there with Andy Ruiz Jr and let’s see what we can do, before we close the lid on anyone's coffin.

[Willow The Wisp]

AJ is a good contender and was a solid alphabet champion. He is not a fraud like Wilder pretty much is.

Fury is waiting to fight competition that too isn't old/fat while he is still younger. Will he actually face a man in his prime that is top 10 Ring Magazine ranked or even Box Rec Ranked?

Post Klitschko this era has been very poor. At least they both fought many ranked contenders that were young and in their primes. This generation of heavyweights, has been below them for sure.

Ohhhhhhh, Z! What a mess this post is.

[Willow The Wisp]

Going by his opposition neither will Vitali you don't get prizes for what might have been,not in my book anyway.

Well, it's a good point, but its all about where you set the bar.

[Willow The Wisp]

I won't, their resumes are shallow too but apart from a few Fury die hards ,nobody is calling the great.

Well, you can't accurately say Nobody. I'm one who is, great being relative.

Heavyweights of the last half century, 1973 - 2023:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Larry Holmes
5. Mike Tyson
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7.Tyson Fury
8. Joe Frazier
9. Deontay Wilder
10. Evander Holyfield
11.Vitali Klitschko
12.Anthony Joshua
13.Ken Norton
14.Rid**** Bowe
15.Jerry Quarry

[Nash out]

We all remember Mike Tyson's amazing victories over... ... ... ... oh, some long-forgotten light-heavyweight and Larry Holmes coming in off 2 losses in a row for a pay check. It was great to see the average Douglass, not only knock out prime Tyson, but completely outbox him before hand to show him for what he was. Dude got bustered up - People have the audacity to questions Fury's resume. Laughable. Nash out

[Ivich]

We all remember Mike Tyson's amazing victories over... ... ... ... oh, some long-forgotten light-heavyweight and Larry Holmes coming in off 2 losses in a row for a pay check. It was great to see the average Douglass, not only knock out prime Tyson, but completely outbox him before hand to show him for what he was. Dude got bustered up - People have the audacity to questions Fury's resume. Laughable. Nash out

Tyson fought 10 ring ranked opponents.How many has Fury fought?

[Ivich]

Well, you can't accurately say Nobody. I'm one who is, great being relative.

Heavyweights of the last half century, 1973 - 2023:

1. Muhammad Ali
2. George Foreman
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Larry Holmes
5. Mike Tyson
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7.Tyson Fury
8. Joe Frazier
9. Deontay Wilder
10. Evander Holyfield
11.Vitali Klitschko
12.Anthony Joshua
13.Ken Norton
14.Rid**** Bowe
15.Jerry Quarry

I said apart from a few die hards.
How many Ring ranked opponents has Fury fought? The answer is 3 . One was 40 and another ,Whyte was done.

[Nash out]

Tyson fought 10 ring ranked opponents.How many has Fury fought?

Rankings 99% of the time mean nothing. Name the guys Tyson beat who would beat prime Fury, then? Douglass beat prime Mike Tyson very, very easily. Prime Fury beats prime Douglass with 1 arm after drinking 18 pints. Nash out