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[Willie Pep 229]

I like you post,but,if Laos and Cambodia weren't neutral, and the US had not declared war on either of them nor had they on the US ,why was the bombing of them "covert",ie kept secret from the public?

Because everyone (us and them) were publically pretending Laos and Cambodia were netural.

When Nixon tried to bomb Cambodia (Ho Chi Minh Trail) he had to do it secretly and then got called for it.

When he finally threw his hands in the air and said Fuck-it and actually attacked Cambodia (and the Ho Chi Minh Trail) he was finished!

Nixon's move into Cambodia created the second "E" word of the war and ended support for the war on the home front.

Johnson's "E" word had been escalation and that brought him down.

Nixon promised us in the 1968 election that he had a secret plan to end the war, he didn't.

Once the cluster-fuck called the Invasion of Cambodia (1970) began there was a new "E" word in the American lexicon "expansion."

Everyone was running around asking "if he promised to end the war why is he expanding it into Cambodia.

The entire war was fought with Cambodia and Laos being called neutral but neither side ever respected the rhetoric.

[Willie Pep 229]

Sorry more . . .

If you have the time Summer's On Strategy addresses the Laos problem directly. But his innovated approach would have in fact necessitated us declaring war on Laos and LBJ didn't have casus belli to do that.

Hell LBJdidn't have a just reason for occupying Vietnam (Tonken Gulf).

You can only BS the American people so far. Some of us eventually wake up and smell the coffee (some never do).

JFK had his eye on Laos early on and if you look back at his foreign policy speeches he was more likely to reference Laos than VN.

The battle of Ap Bac in '63 changed that, making VN the emergency situation.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Pep, the US had already knocked back the Chinese at Chipyong-ni where we had defeated a massive all in Chinese battle to send them off less 5000+ troops and uncountable crippled for life. We lost 400 troops for scale. At this point politics enters the fray with Truman and his team trying to call the shots in Asia to save the nascent NATO alliance in Europe as well as the UN.

Bottom line is Truman didn't want to risk another general war, and Mac was confident he had China's number and emphatically there would be no general war past what had already occurred. When Mac was relieved of command, only days before he had been in the field negotiating terms of peace with the Chinese. Had he been allowed to finish, the DMV would've been the Korean/Chinese border as Korean Commies would be forced into China leaving whole of Korea united in new ********ic state.

- - Will just add Dec 1, 1950 Truman issues a general declaration to the world and UN defining his desire to work for peace within the US framework, but willing to use the Atomic Bomb to keep the general peace that Mac will direct.

Needless to say the collective world shorts were leaking heavily that day and months afterward.

[Willie Pep 229]

- - Will just add Dec 1, 1950 Truman issues a general declaration to the world and UN defining his desire to work for peace within the US framework, but willing to use the Atomic Bomb to keep the general peace that Mac will direct.

Needless to say the collective world shorts were leaking heavily that day and months afterward.

Does this actually take us to Truman making a nuclear threat - maybe?

History.com

In November, the stakes in the Korean War dramatically escalated with the intervention of hundreds of thousands of communist Chinese troops. Prior to their arrival on the battlefield, the U.S. forces seemed on the verge of victory in Korea. Just days after General Douglas MacArthur declared an “end the war offensive,” however, massive elements of the Chinese army smashed into the American lines and drove the U.S. forces back. The “limited war” in Korea threatened to turn into a widespread conflict. Against this backdrop, Truman issued his state of emergency and the U.S. military-industrial complex went into full preparations for a possible third world war. The president’s proclamation vastly expanded his executive powers and gave Mobilization Director Charles E. Wilson nearly unlimited authority to coordinate the country’s defense program. Such an increase in government power had not been seen since World War II.

[QueensburyRules]

Does this actually take us to Truman making a nuclear threat - maybe?

History.com

In November, the stakes in the Korean War dramatically escalated with the intervention of hundreds of thousands of communist Chinese troops. Prior to their arrival on the battlefield, the U.S. forces seemed on the verge of victory in Korea. Just days after General Douglas MacArthur declared an “end the war offensive,” however, massive elements of the Chinese army smashed into the American lines and drove the U.S. forces back. The “limited war” in Korea threatened to turn into a widespread conflict. Against this backdrop, Truman issued his state of emergency and the U.S. military-industrial complex went into full preparations for a possible third world war. The president’s proclamation vastly expanded his executive powers and gave Mobilization Director Charles E. Wilson nearly unlimited authority to coordinate the country’s defense program. Such an increase in government power had not been seen since World War II.

- - It was ironic when as yet unborn Americans who could never know without scholarship that Mac over his decades had won every major accolade on the battlefield that can be had, yet by the end of his years when he was still more physically and intellectually vigorous than 99.9% of the population, that would be tarred and feathered as Dugout Doug.

Such was the result of the end of his era of military and foreign policy leadership in the mold of Wilson, Roosevelt, and Marshall that ushered in that of Truman, Acheson, Harriman, and Rusk stratagem that has led us to this critical moment in our nascent 3rd millennium.

Another irony was that the Russians were using young firebrand Mao as a proxy and Korea as the theater against the American takeover of Japan.

You take Japan, and We take Korea as the Lounge singers used to croon...