Did Jack Johnson participate in fixed fights?

[Ivich]

It's very difficult to determine, what realy went on all those years ago! I would suspect, that a lot of "sham" fights took place, where the boxers carried each other. With the often busy schedules, it would have been in everybody's best interest to go easy on each other - so they weren't injured or beat up too badly before their next fight. Which of course could be only a week or two away (if not just a few days!).

Here are some sham fights (all from 1920), where both boxers where thrown out for not making an honest fight of it:

01-01, Harry Wills vs Jack Thompson
01-08, Mickey Nelson vs Joe Colletti
02-13, Al Young vs Charles Doyle
02-16, Charlie Bergen vs Freddie Siegel
02-27, Mike Paulson vs Mel Stevenson
03-01, Harry Hulin vs W. O'Neill
03-18, Buddy Lane vs Billy Smith
03-20, Al Ross vs Frankie Daniels
03-24, Patsy Rubino vs Kid Kansas
03-28, Antoine Acencio vs Constant
04-05, George Shade vs **** Doolin
04-05, Frank Oldrich vs George Eagel
04-09, Larry Jones vs Dave Shade
04-15, Tommy Lang vs Eddie Stencil
04-26, Jack Stroud vs Pascal Colone
04-27, Frankie O'Neill vs Young Mahoney
04-28, Leo Patterson vs Eddie Carver
04-29, Babe Herman vs Charley Moy
05-03, Bill Reed vs Willie Keeler
06-10, Frankie Webb vs Leo Houck
07-04, Willie Doyle vs Bobby Ward
07-07, Del Howard vs Bud Taylor
07-08, Joey Reilly vs Frankie Pitcher
08-05, Frank Carbone vs Silent Martin
08-26, Battling Stanley vs Eddie Marks
08-30, Buddy Josephs vs Chick Hayes
09-08, Harry Wills vs Sam McVea
09-13, Pinky Lewis vs Battling Norfolk
10-14, Jack Davis vs Frank Oldrich
10-15, Steve Dalton vs Andy Palmer
10-25, Young Fyne vs Young Molson
10-25, John George vs Jimmy McDonough
11-01, George Sollis vs Jay Solomon
11-06, Calvin Respress vs Gunboat Smith
11-08, Charlie Cole vs Billy Hone
11-13, KO Jaffe vs Silent Martin
11-16, Jimmy Werner vs Eddie Brown
11-19, Jimmy Bradley vs Mickey O'Donnell
11-26, Tonto Lloyd vs Nipper Walsh
11-29, Cyclone Taylor vs Burrhead Scott

Unfortunately the OP is not interested in these fixed fights,he is only interested in attempting to smear Jack Johnson.

[Ivich]

It's very difficult to determine, what realy went on all those years ago! I would suspect, that a lot of "sham" fights took place, where the boxers carried each other. With the often busy schedules, it would have been in everybody's best interest to go easy on each other - so they weren't injured or beat up too badly before their next fight. Which of course could be only a week or two away (if not just a few days!).

Here are some sham fights (all from 1920), where both boxers where thrown out for not making an honest fight of it:

01-01, Harry Wills vs Jack Thompson
01-08, Mickey Nelson vs Joe Colletti
02-13, Al Young vs Charles Doyle
02-16, Charlie Bergen vs Freddie Siegel
02-27, Mike Paulson vs Mel Stevenson
03-01, Harry Hulin vs W. O'Neill
03-18, Buddy Lane vs Billy Smith
03-20, Al Ross vs Frankie Daniels
03-24, Patsy Rubino vs Kid Kansas
03-28, Antoine Acencio vs Constant
04-05, George Shade vs **** Doolin
04-05, Frank Oldrich vs George Eagel
04-09, Larry Jones vs Dave Shade
04-15, Tommy Lang vs Eddie Stencil
04-26, Jack Stroud vs Pascal Colone
04-27, Frankie O'Neill vs Young Mahoney
04-28, Leo Patterson vs Eddie Carver
04-29, Babe Herman vs Charley Moy
05-03, Bill Reed vs Willie Keeler
06-10, Frankie Webb vs Leo Houck
07-04, Willie Doyle vs Bobby Ward
07-07, Del Howard vs Bud Taylor
07-08, Joey Reilly vs Frankie Pitcher
08-05, Frank Carbone vs Silent Martin
08-26, Battling Stanley vs Eddie Marks
08-30, Buddy Josephs vs Chick Hayes
09-08, Harry Wills vs Sam McVea
09-13, Pinky Lewis vs Battling Norfolk
10-14, Jack Davis vs Frank Oldrich
10-15, Steve Dalton vs Andy Palmer
10-25, Young Fyne vs Young Molson
10-25, John George vs Jimmy McDonough
11-01, George Sollis vs Jay Solomon
11-06, Calvin Respress vs Gunboat Smith
11-08, Charlie Cole vs Billy Hone
11-13, KO Jaffe vs Silent Martin
11-16, Jimmy Werner vs Eddie Brown
11-19, Jimmy Bradley vs Mickey O'Donnell
11-26, Tonto Lloyd vs Nipper Walsh
11-29, Cyclone Taylor vs Burrhead Scott

Ray Robinson agreed to let Charley Fusari the 15rds distance.

• Robinson was paid one dollar for the Fusari fight. The rest of his purse went to the Damon Runyon Memorial Fund for Cancer Research.
• In his autobiography, Robinson claimed that he agreed to carry Fusari the 15-round distance.

[QueensburyRules]

Of course the fights you are referring to would be the ones in which Johnson won and his performance was favourably reported on?
LOL!

Can we now expect a list of journalists names?Those that habitually did not attend the fights?

God Almighty it gets worse here!

- - I'm telling you the history of the fight game writers.

Same as bank teller history, and no, ain't gonna listall the bank tellers who siphoned money.

[Dr. Z]

It's very difficult to determine, what realy went on all those years ago! I would suspect, that a lot of "sham" fights took place, where the boxers carried each other. With the often busy schedules, it would have been in everybody's best interest to go easy on each other - so they weren't injured or beat up too badly before their next fight. Which of course could be only a week or two away (if not just a few days!).

Here are some sham fights (all from 1920), where both boxers where thrown out for not making an honest fight of it:

01-01, Harry Wills vs Jack Thompson
01-08, Mickey Nelson vs Joe Colletti
02-13, Al Young vs Charles Doyle
02-16, Charlie Bergen vs Freddie Siegel
02-27, Mike Paulson vs Mel Stevenson
03-01, Harry Hulin vs W. O'Neill
03-18, Buddy Lane vs Billy Smith
03-20, Al Ross vs Frankie Daniels
03-24, Patsy Rubino vs Kid Kansas
03-28, Antoine Acencio vs Constant
04-05, George Shade vs **** Doolin
04-05, Frank Oldrich vs George Eagel
04-09, Larry Jones vs Dave Shade
04-15, Tommy Lang vs Eddie Stencil
04-26, Jack Stroud vs Pascal Colone
04-27, Frankie O'Neill vs Young Mahoney
04-28, Leo Patterson vs Eddie Carver
04-29, Babe Herman vs Charley Moy
05-03, Bill Reed vs Willie Keeler
06-10, Frankie Webb vs Leo Houck
07-04, Willie Doyle vs Bobby Ward
07-07, Del Howard vs Bud Taylor
07-08, Joey Reilly vs Frankie Pitcher
08-05, Frank Carbone vs Silent Martin
08-26, Battling Stanley vs Eddie Marks
08-30, Buddy Josephs vs Chick Hayes
09-08, Harry Wills vs Sam McVea
09-13, Pinky Lewis vs Battling Norfolk
10-14, Jack Davis vs Frank Oldrich
10-15, Steve Dalton vs Andy Palmer
10-25, Young Fyne vs Young Molson
10-25, John George vs Jimmy McDonough
11-01, George Sollis vs Jay Solomon
11-06, Calvin Respress vs Gunboat Smith
11-08, Charlie Cole vs Billy Hone
11-13, KO Jaffe vs Silent Martin
11-16, Jimmy Werner vs Eddie Brown
11-19, Jimmy Bradley vs Mickey O'Donnell
11-26, Tonto Lloyd vs Nipper Walsh
11-29, Cyclone Taylor vs Burrhead Scott

That nice, but was Johnson in fixed fights is the question of the thread! Johnson claims to have taken a dive vs Willard,.and had a deal ( which is a way of fixing and event ) with Ketchel. He has Won and lost fights via DQ, too much for them all to be accidents. It is real l on reports that was not trying, or was well sucking in many fights as reported?

You seem like a knowledge poster, unlike the zealot Ivich. What is your opinion?

[Ivich]

- - I'm telling you the history of the fight game writers.

Same as bank teller history, and no, ain't gonna listall the bank tellers who siphoned money.

Not interested in bank tellers,just nationally known sports writers that were employed to write ringside fights .reports for major newspapers that had regular boxing pages.
Prominent sportswriters that did not actually go to the fights ,but instead got drunk and subbed the job out to unknown writers.

ANY OF THOSE BELOW?
WW Naughton? Grantland Rice? Bohun Lynch?Tad Dorgan? Hype Igoe? James P Dawson? Red Smith?
Jimmy Cannon?A J Leibling? Damon Runyon? Bob Waters?Paul Gallico? George Barton? Irving S Cobb? Bob Considine?
Bill Heinz?Lester Bromberg? Nat Fleischer? John Lardner? Budd Shulberg? Ring Lardner?
James Butler? Peter Wilson? Frank Butler? Pat Putnam? George Kimball? Hugh McIllvanney? Reg Gutteridge?Frank Graham?

IF SO WHICH ONES ?

IF NOT ANY OF THESE NAME ANOTHER?

[Ivich]

That nice, but was Johnson in fixed fights is the question of the thread! Johnson claims to have taken a dive vs Willard,.and had a deal ( which is a way of fixing and event ) with Ketchel. He has Won and lost fights via DQ, too much for them all to be accidents. It is real l on reports that was not trying, or was well sucking in many fights as reported?

You seem like a knowledge poster, unlike the zealot Ivich. What is your opinion?

Your agenda driven hate thread isn't working out too well for you is it . Lol

[Dr. Z]

Your agenda driven hate thread isn't working out too well for you is it . Lol

Why do you have so many board wars with posters? My posts are not for you. Get lost. Your a zealot among other things.

[QueensburyRules]

Not interested in bank tellers,just nationally known sports writers that were employed to write ringside fights .reports for major newspapers that had regular boxing pages.
Prominent sportswriters that did not actually go to the fights ,but instead got drunk and subbed the job out to unknown writers.

ANY OF THOSE BELOW?
WW Naughton? Grantland Rice? Bohun Lynch?Tad Dorgan? Hype Igoe? James P Dawson? Red Smith?
Jimmy Cannon?A J Leibling? Damon Runyon? Bob Waters?Paul Gallico? George Barton? Irving S Cobb? Bob Considine?
Bill Heinz?Lester Bromberg? Nat Fleischer? John Lardner? Budd Shulberg? Ring Lardner?
James Butler? Peter Wilson? Frank Butler? Pat Putnam? George Kimball? Hugh McIllvanney? Reg Gutteridge?Frank Graham?

IF SO WHICH ONES ?

IF NOT ANY OF THESE NAME ANOTHER?

- - You cite long defunct newspaper clippings of backwater fights as engraved by God in stone, and now you want a big name bust in a big name fight is it now?

Funny how quickly you STFU when I posted that headline by a local brit claiming to be the world's #1 sportswriter breathing fire about Cooper/Ali glove controversy.

[GhostofDempsey]

We have the contemporary reports of the fight from ringside reporters,,or at least I have them.You dismissing them just eloquently proves my point entirely.You will unhesitatingly accept a comic purporting to be quotes from Johnson a comic with no author, no dates or time stamps,or places. but you wont accept verified ringside reports !
I can't spend any more time on you,that would make me as sad as you are.

Your boy Moyle who you love to quote so much included it in his book. "contemporary reports from ringside reporters"? We have the words from the fighters themselves. Unless you are calling Johnson himself a liar...which we all know he was.

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[GhostofDempsey]

Why do you have so many board wars with posters? My posts are not for you. Get lost. Your a zealot among other things.

Him and that scrawny scrub who likes his posts have beefs with half the members on this forum and site. Same attrition tactics and emotional meltdowns too.