Vitali Klitschko, the last great heavyweight

[Ivich]

You actually brought Cliff into this discussion.

Your post on post # 148 of this thread, the article and list you’ve provided is that of Cliff Rold.

Yup that's right!

[Ivich]

On that list I count 7 contenders, who were world ranked when Patterson beat them. Isn't that what Dr. Z's original challenge was about... the number of men, and not the number of wins?

Look, I want to see Z proven wrong as much as you do (well, probably not quite as much!) - but can't we at least play fair, and do it the right way?

If you dont want to count a man who was ranked whom a fighter fought twice take out Harrison and substitute him for Brian London who fought Patterson in April 1959 when he was ranked no 8 .Source is the Ring Magazine ratings ending April 1959.Cover is Archie Moore.Happy?

[Bundana]

That was never the bet you scrub. The bet was 10 fighters who beat more Ring ranked opponents than Vits. It was easily done, yet here you are. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Obviously the boxers must be ranked at the time of these fights - otherwise the question makes no sense!

If it's about how many wins you have against fighters, who at one time or another was ranked by The Ring... then there would of course be far, far more than 10, who would leave Vitali in the dust! Which wouldn't be very interesting, and not much of a challenge.

So why not try to beat the challenge, as it was intended?

[Bundana]

If you dont want to count a man who was ranked whom a fighter fought twice take out Harrison and substitute him for Brian London who fought Patterson in April 1959 when he was ranked no 8 .Source is the Ring Magazine ratings ending April 1959.Cover is Archie Moore.Happy?

Yes I am - good to see someone do a bit of research!

[JAB5239]

Oh no, I said I saw Soils ranked at the time he fought Vitali in ring magazine. Cliff is not in this discussion.

No, you argued you were right even after he told you it wasn't there. As usual, you were wrong. Are you admitting you were wrong now?

[JAB5239]

Obviously the boxers must be ranked at the time of these fights - otherwise the question makes no sense!

If it's about how many wins you have against fighters, who at one time or another was ranked by The Ring... then there would of course be far, far more than 10, who would leave Vitali in the dust! Which wouldn't be very interesting, and not much of a challenge.

So why not try to beat the challenge, as it was intended?

I'm not following you. The challenge was to name 10 fighters with more ring raked wins than Vits. Am I missing something?

[Bundana]

I'm not following you. The challenge was to name 10 fighters with more ring raked wins than Vits. Am I missing something?

No, the original challenge (post #78 in this thread) reads like this: "You will struggle to name 10 fighters who beat more ring magazine rated guys at heavyweight." Guys - not wins!

[Dr. Z]

No, you argued you were right even after he told you it wasn't there. As usual, you were wrong. Are you admitting you were wrong now?

Prove me wrong, I request a scanned in copy of the issue of Ring Magazine rankings before or the month the Vitali vs. Solis fight. As usual you don't have this. I saw it with my own eyes. You are hoping for something a guy checked for in June, after the fight. END. Now prove me wrong. I am sure that Box Rec is wring too

All you proving here is you can get a thumbs up from a moron / hatter. Congratulations.

• Vitali Klitschko 41-2 (38 KOs) vs. Odlanier Solis 17-0 (12 KOs)
• Confirmed on January 14.
• Vitali Klitschko entered as The Ring Magazine No. 1 heavyweight contender and Solis was the No. 10 contender. Vitali's brother Wladimir was the magazine's heavyweight champion.
• Solis was a 4 to 1 betting underdog.
• At 246.75 lbs., Solis weighed in at the lightest of his professional career to date, and 13.25 lbs. lighter than in his previous bout.
• Klitschko reportedly earned $15 million and Solis received $1.8 million. [2]
• ESPN.com's Dan Rafael reported: The fight began nicely enough with Klitschko using his big jab and size advantage while Solis, with his quick hands, landed a sneaky right hand that got Klitschko's attention. But just as a competitive first round was coming to a close, Klitschko landed a decent right hand to the head. Solis did not appear hurt from the punch, but he stepped back and lost his footing. He went down, and it was quickly clear that Solis was in trouble -- but not because of his head. He had a problem with his right knee and was unsteady as he struggled to get to his feet by pulling himself up as he grabbed on to the ropes. As Solis struggled to move on the bad knee, referee Guadalupe Garcia called off the fight as the opening round was coming to a close. [3]
• A scan revealed tears to Solis' anterior cruciate ligament and external meniscus, as well as cartilage damage in his right knee. [4]
• German media reported that Solis and his team admitted they knew there was a problem with the right knee before the fight but went through with the bout anyway. The Solis camp denied any admission of knowledge of a pre-fight injury and claimed the media reports in Germany falsely quoted a Solis spokesman

Now do you still believe Soils wasn't ring magazine ranked? Well?

[BattlingNelson]

As far as debating goes I agree.

I have no problem with differences of opinions. You and I have had plenty on this very topic, and we've agreed on plenty more. It is what it is.

indeed. Despite our different opinions on this subject, I would still consider you my friend.

[Ivich]

No, you argued you were right even after he told you it wasn't there. As usual, you were wrong. Are you admitting you were wrong now?

The Ring April issue 2011 has the ratings for January 2011 Solis is NOT in the ratings.
The cover has Vitali on it arms folded with the heading ,referring to the upcoming Solis fight,
"Is He About To Be Cut Down To Size?"
Inside is an article by Eric Raskin,remarking that Solis' best wins were
over a 38 years old Monte Barrett ,and a 40 years old Ray Austin.

The Ring August 2011 edition has the end of May rankings,Solis is not ranked.Manny is on the cover.
The issue that will settle this is May , or possibly June .
The front cover of the May edition is Pac Man v Mosley.
The cover of the June edition is a young Canelo. If that helps anyone looking through their collection.
This is a side issue anyway,Jab won the original bet with names to spare!