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  • #31
    Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

    - - He weren't caught anymore than the bank robber with a plastic squirt pistol was robbing the bank.

    I could rob a simpleton like U wif only my forefinger and thumb****. U hand me all U money and then scream armed robbery when it was U parents who robbed U clearly.
    No, you're right. He wasn't caught cheating against Mosley anymore than Holyfield was caught using PED's.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

      No, you're right. He wasn't caught cheating against Mosley anymore than Holyfield was caught using PED's.
      - - No, I didn't know U used PEDs logic...

      Marg was wearing a commish approved wrap with the remaining insert which consisted of plaster crumbles lay on the table in front of God and everyone else in his dressing room.

      Brother ****m made Tito complete rewrap for his Popkins fight with no word on whether the wraps were illegal or not. Tito was the fav in that fight just like Marg the fav vs Mosley who looked like U in previous bouts. The difference in the fight was Marg was coming off emergency eye surgery 2 weeks before the fight, ie he was not fit to fight because his strenuous training needed to drop his massive street weight was off, so he had to strictly diet to make weight.

      Tito had already made weight in a natural training manner and typically a slow starter prone to being outboxed in the beginning got off to a slow start that he never recovered from.

      But according to Marg logic, Tito was a cheat, right?

      Marg not fit to fight put up a battle royale until it was obvious he was no longer the raging monster of yore. That eye gave him trouble the rest of his career whereas Tito suffered no injuries and continued in good health until his end.

      The Marg wraps clearly a staged set up to let Big Gamers know in advance something was amiss so they could cover their Marg bets. Such scrambling much like what happened to Clay/Liston 1 when Sonny quit after failing the early KO forecast where all the big $$$ was...

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      • #33
        Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

        - - No, I didn't know U used PEDs logic...

        Marg was wearing a commish approved wrap with the remaining insert which consisted of plaster crumbles lay on the table in front of God and everyone else in his dressing room.

        Brother ****m made Tito complete rewrap for his Popkins fight with no word on whether the wraps were illegal or not. Tito was the fav in that fight just like Marg the fav vs Mosley who looked like U in previous bouts. The difference in the fight was Marg was coming off emergency eye surgery 2 weeks before the fight, ie he was not fit to fight because his strenuous training needed to drop his massive street weight was off, so he had to strictly diet to make weight.

        Tito had already made weight in a natural training manner and typically a slow starter prone to being outboxed in the beginning got off to a slow start that he never recovered from.

        But according to Marg logic, Tito was a cheat, right?

        Marg not fit to fight put up a battle royale until it was obvious he was no longer the raging monster of yore. That eye gave him trouble the rest of his career whereas Tito suffered no injuries and continued in good health until his end.

        The Marg wraps clearly a staged set up to let Big Gamers know in advance something was amiss so they could cover their Marg bets. Such scrambling much like what happened to Clay/Liston 1 when Sonny quit after failing the early KO forecast where all the big $$$ was...
        Margs had a foreign padding with plaster like substance in his wraps. Thats cheating any way you slice it.

        Tito was most like cheating as well but without a foreign object but rather by wrapping illegally. If you have ever been involved in any combat sport you would know there is a certain measurement of medical tape and gauze you are allowed to use. tape is supposed to be dispersed evenly and not built up on the knuckles to make a hardened weopen. This is in fact what Tito did which is why Richardson made him rewrap. It was in fact a keen eye to notice such a thing.

        The rest of your post and ridiculous conspiracy theorie isnt worth wasting my time.

        Ps - Margs didn't require any surgery on his eyes until after Pacquiao. That's nearly two and a half years after Cotto and almost two years after Mosley. Learn to follow a timeline.
        Last edited by JAB5239; 12-25-2022, 08:55 AM.

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        • #34
          Wrappings!

          I jeed help. I understand there is a certain length of tape that may be deployed (a figure I don't know) and according to an old friend who worked with the Florida commission in Miami back in the 1980s, there may be a max of four strips of tape across the knuckles only.

          Can anyone tell me if this sounds correct or educate me on the rules and procedures?

          Not a long explanation just the skinny if you could.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post
            Wrappings!

            I jeed help. I understand there is a certain length of tape that may be deployed (a figure I don't know) and according to an old friend who worked with the Florida commission in Miami back in the 1980s, there may be a max of four strips of tape across the knuckles only.

            Can anyone tell me if this sounds correct or educate me on the rules and procedures?

            Not a long explanation just the skinny if you could.
            I want to say in my last fight it was 8 feet of tape. You can't zig zag or build a lump with the tape. Tape has to be put on evenly. You are correct about the straps of tape, but I believe it's between the knuckles.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post
              Wrappings!

              I jeed help. I understand there is a certain length of tape that may be deployed (a figure I don't know) and according to an old friend who worked with the Florida commission in Miami back in the 1980s, there may be a max of four strips of tape across the knuckles only.

              Can anyone tell me if this sounds correct or educate me on the rules and procedures?

              Not a long explanation just the skinny if you could.
              - - Varies from commish jurisdiction though the ABC rules of boxing have recommended rules on handwraps as I recall. They are not highly respected in boxing.
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              • #37
                One always has to consider consistency. When we grant a reason why a fighter did not perform, we have to ask how this particular reason stands out as exceptional compared to the usual contingencies that create challenges to a fighter... So if we say "Tom had a bad camp" do we even consider how this compares to his opponent? Do we even know all the possible things that affect every fighter enough to say "This excuse stands out?"

                Excuses, steriods, etc... if we level the playing field by not accepting them, I feel ultimately we are being more fair to the fighters.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
                  one always has to consider consistency. When we grant a reason why a fighter did not perform, we have to ask how this particular reason stands out as exceptional compared to the usual contingencies that create challenges to a fighter... So if we say "tom had a bad camp" do we even consider how this compares to his opponent? Do we even know all the possible things that affect every fighter enough to say "this excuse stands out?"

                  excuses, steriods, etc... If we level the playing field by not accepting them, i feel ultimately we are being more fair to the fighters.
                  - - tue tbe!!!

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                  - - Well, GRRRRRR on on BS imaging that clearly showed the image until I posted it. Showed l'l floydy in what looked like plaster casts with oodles of tape.


                  Last edited by QueensburyRules; 12-31-2022, 05:53 AM.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Willie Pep 229 View Post

                    By 1965 was SRR actually in there of his own free will or did the landlord want his rent? At the end was Joe Louis in there of his own free will or was the IRS breathing down his neck?

                    If you consider SRR's 1965 campaign as part of his legacy, you must exit the forum immediately.

                    P.S. Merry Christmas.
                    Merry Christmas to you!

                    SRR probably was better late in his career than is generally thought. According to Charles Farrell’s outstanding book Lowlife, SRRs loss of the middleweight title to Paul Pender was a fix. But I don’t think SRR was bad, at any point in his career, the way that RJJ, Duran, Ali, and others were bad.
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