Accepted excuses.

[Marchegiano]

This thread went well beyond my expectations. Thanks for participating. I've learned quite a bit.

Also, Jab, I am jealous. I never had a healthy relationship like that. I apologize for projecting my bitterness on to your very clearly lovely wife. May you have many more happy years with her.

[JAB5239]

In 2006 Gloyd Mayweather Jr turned down 8 million to fight Antonio Margaritp. This was shortly before Floyd was the megastar he would become who was able to command whatever payday he desired. He has said this year he is glad he never fought Margs because he was a cheater. While I do believe Margs was a cheater he wasn't suspected until 2008 and wasn't caught until 2009. So is this an acceptable excuse for ducking?

[Anthony342]

In 2006 Gloyd Mayweather Jr turned down 8 million to fight Antonio Margaritp. This was shortly before Floyd was the megastar he would become who was able to command whatever payday he desired. He has said this year he is glad he never fought Margs because he was a cheater. While I do believe Margs was a cheater he wasn't suspected until 2008 and wasn't caught until 2009. So is this an acceptable excuse for ducking?

Hell no. Margarito already had 4 losses and depending on when in 2006 when Floyd was offered the fight, had about 33 wins with 23 knockouts. Margs was bigger, taller and could hit, so Floyd probably saw the fight as too risky.

[5G14L90]

Prime Tyson running through a Larry Holmes at the age of 38 coming back out of retirement from a 21 month lay-off is an acceptable excuse.

[5G14L90]

Cotto running through a 39 year Sergio Martinez with one functional knee is an acceptable excuse for Sergio.

[QueensburyRules]

In 2006 Gloyd Mayweather Jr turned down 8 million to fight Antonio Margaritp. This was shortly before Floyd was the megastar he would become who was able to command whatever payday he desired. He has said this year he is glad he never fought Margs because he was a cheater. While I do believe Margs was a cheater he wasn't suspected until 2008 and wasn't caught until 2009. So is this an acceptable excuse for ducking?

- - Marg never wore anything but Commish and Corner inspected gloves in the ring.

Marg never owned his own drug testing agency and never needed his own drug testing agency and his own Commish to issue him a 2 week Backdated TUE in order to pass a drug test so he could be the winner of the Manny fight whom the Vegas Commish already doctored the official scorecards to change the results so l'l floydy could win that fight.

Guess U still in U BarneyBigBoys then, eh?


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[JAB5239]

- - Marg never wore anything but Commish and Corner inspected gloves in the ring.

Marg never owned his own drug testing agency and never needed his own drug testing agency and his own Commish to issue him a 2 week Backdated TUE in order to pass a drug test so he could be the winner of the Manny fight whom the Vegas Commish already doctored the official scorecards to change the results so l'l floydy could win that fight.

Guess U still in U BarneyBigBoys then, eh?


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You should make a thread about this if it bothers you so much. We could include Vits and a ton of other drug cheats.

The question was though, if it was acceptable Floyd ducking Margs for being a cheater even though it would be a few .ore years before Margs was even suspected and than caught. And yes, he was definitely caught loading his gloves whether you believe he did so against Cotto or not. My argument for him cheating against Cotto is he never did that kind of damage before and was the underdog in that fight. When he got caught red handed against Mosley he was the favorite to win.

[QueensburyRules]

You should make a thread about this if it bothers you so much. We could include Vits and a ton of other drug cheats.

The question was though, if it was acceptable Floyd ducking Margs for being a cheater even though it would be a few .ore years before Margs was even suspected and than caught. And yes, he was definitely caught loading his gloves whether you believe he did so against Cotto or not. My argument for him cheating against Cotto is he never did that kind of damage before and was the underdog in that fight. When he got caught red handed against Mosley he was the favorite to win.

- - He weren't caught anymore than the bank robber with a plastic squirt pistol was robbing the bank.

I could rob a simpleton like U wif only my forefinger and thumb****. U hand me all U money and then scream armed robbery when it was U parents who robbed U clearly.

[Mikeh333]

I am a bit surprised how much more the online fandom accepts excuses compared to my local fandom. It got me wondering what exactly is an acceptable excuse for a loss or duck and if the ones I see often are the most accepted or simply the most well known / discussed.


I see age quite often cited as a reason to excuse a loss or deflate a win.

I see money as an excuse quite often to excuse ducking.

Layoffs you see now and then for losses.

Locations or the general business end of things outside of simply money seems, tv for example, to be an acceptable reason for heaps of people for both losses and ducking.

Steroid usage


What I don't think I have ever seen in any thread are any mentions of excuses I personally think are at least just as valid as rust and age and such:


Fighting sick or already injured for a loss or refusing the fight for the same reasons as a ducking excuse.

Fighting despite a personal tragedy, death of a child or some such similar. Or refusing a fight because of a personal tragedy.

Camps being cut short or in some way interfered with.

Likewise, and I have never even heard of any fighter bringing this up let alone fans but I do think it is a legitimate consideration, what about unfair camp advantages. Access to trainers, access to facilities, access to sparring partners, that sort of thing.


Is it because people can easily see the age on records and are less likely to know a fighter fought with a broken arm or their wife died a week prior to a fight and such?

Or is the only acceptable excuse for ducking and losing money and age?


I did say just as valid, and I do believe they are but I also think excuses are equally weak and we ought not use them.

If a fighter decides to fight and loses, whether he is old, out of shape, or whatever, it should be considered part of his legacy. I don’t agree with critics, who claim that we shouldn’t consider fights at the end of a fighters career with judging their overall legacy. That makes no sense to me. If it’s a sanctioned, fight, and he’s in there if his own free will, it’s part of his record.

Thats one of the reasons why Roy Jones Jr, to me, is not in the top 50 pfp all time. He chose to fight for years past his prime, in completely dilapidated condition, and lost to very low level opponents.

[Willie Pep 229]

If a fighter decides to fight and loses, whether he is old, out of shape, or whatever, it should be considered part of his legacy. I don’t agree with critics, who claim that we shouldn’t consider fights at the end of a fighters career with judging their overall legacy. That makes no sense to me. If it’s a sanctioned, fight, and he’s in there if his own free will, it’s part of his record.

Thats one of the reasons why Roy Jones Jr, to me, is not in the top 50 pfp all time. He chose to fight for years past his prime, in completely dilapidated condition, and lost to very low level opponents.

By 1965 was SRR actually in there of his own free will or did the landlord want his rent? At the end was Joe Louis in there of his own free will or was the IRS breathing down his neck?

If you consider SRR's 1965 campaign as part of his legacy, you must exit the forum immediately.

P.S. Merry Christmas.