Johnson vs Langford 1909

[Dr. Z]

You were talking about the contract. The contract wasn't for $10,000,000. Nowhere near it.

Johnson accepted fights with Langford at least 3 times. Once Langford dodged out of, another Langford apparently couldn't raise the money. One was canceled by the promoter.

I'm talking about what Langford is saying. No contact was good enough for Johnson to accept teams v Langford one he matured. Insert you excuses. The offers were for 6, 10 rounds 20 rounds or more!

Several promoters made such offers. It would have been a good fight in 1909 when Johnson for several 6 rounders, sometimes for less money, don't you think? Judging by these 6 rounders being out boxed in a news draw according to some with O'brien, being stung by of the few Ross punches that Ross landed don't be dismissive on Langford chances in 1909 or beyond.

[travestyny]

I'm talking about what Langford is saying. No contact was good enough for Johnson to accept teams v Langford one he matured.

Well that's easily proven false since, like I said, he accepted 3 times.

Several promoters made such offers. It would have been a good fight in 1909 when Johnson for several 6 rounders, sometimes for less money, don't you think? Judging by these 6 rounders being out boxed in a news draw according to some with O'brien, being stung by of the few Ross punches that Ross landed don't be dismissive on Langford chances in 1909 or beyond.

This is mostly hyperbole. Johnson nearly killed Langford...or at least beat the tar out of him. Hyperbole from the other matches don't mean much at all. It would have been closer perhaps, but the beating he put on Langford makes me think he easily beats him again.

[Willie Pep 229]

I believe, from other posts, the amount offered JJ for a Langford fight in England was six thousand pounds. The exchange rate for pounds to dollars would make Langford's $10K statement about right.

To me it's understandable why JJ walked away from that fight for that money (after winning the title.)

[Willie Pep 229]

You'd think Johnson would have honored the contact after the Burns fight yet he did not! You would think his manger who say Langford made things up about the fight where Johnson had 30 pounds on the estimated 20 year old. That did not happen either! He is guilty of ducking the mature Sam Langford for years.

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Mistah Johnson’s afraid to meet me, ’cause Mistah Gibson of the Fairmount Club once offered him $l0,000 to box six rounds with me. Mistah lohnson wouldn’t hear of it and ran away when he knew I was waitin' around the corner. Every time I tried to pin him down he said I’d have to put up $20,000 as a forfeit and aide r t ain’t so easy to get that much money together, and he knew that way the way to prevent a match"


" When met in Cheisea five years ago in a fifteen round bout. I weighed 140 pounds then, while Mistah Johnson weighed 190 "


You can read that anymore here.

https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=SPDN1911...ngford-------1

Thank you for posting the article.

Wonder why they chose to print his poor English verbatim? Usually they would clean up the narrative and quote just a few selections of the bad language.

Would it be total paranoia for me to wonder if the narrative was a white writer mimicking a black voice?

P.S. Did you noticed the very out of place joke written right beneath the end of the article? That was a really strange juxtapositioning; the joke had no connection to the article.

[QueensburyRules]

I believe, from other posts, the amount offered JJ for a Langford fight in England was six thousand pounds. The exchange rate for pounds to dollars would make Langford's $10K statement about right.

To me it's understandable why JJ walked away from that fight for that money (after winning the title.)

- - Also understandable Burns could have continued his International continent hopping with a replacement for Boshter Billy Squires who had reached his end destination with his homecoming in Oz.

Without the sporting club substantial financial support, JJohnson would have rightly assumed the #4 position of the great black heavies of that era behind Sam, Joe, and Harry.

Added that support to the 10K offer to fight Sam in England = $20 K actual value that JJ would've received. You'd think if JJ whooped Sam so bad that the next day Sam called him out on the street that JJ would've jumped to put Sam in his place.

I seriously doubt he received 30 K in his first defenses, maybe 15 K at best. Maybe some of our financial wiz kiddie$ can sort out what JJ early defense purses were.

[Dr. Z]

Thank you for posting the article.

Wonder why they chose to print his poor English verbatim? Usually they would clean up the narrative and quote just a few selections of the bad language.

Would it be total paranoia for me to wonder if the narrative was a white writer mimicking a black voice?

P.S. Did you noticed the very out of place joke written right beneath the end of the article? That was a really strange juxtapositioning; the joke had no connection to the article.

Its baldy written. That is how Langford spoke. I try to focus on what he says not how he says it. I did not get the joke at the end either.

You're welcome. The article is interesting in what Sam Langford says about himself and Jack Johnson.

[Ivich]

Thank you for posting the article.

Wonder why they chose to print his poor English verbatim? Usually they would clean up the narrative and quote just a few selections of the bad language.

Would it be total paranoia for me to wonder if the narrative was a white writer mimicking a black voice?

P.S. Did you noticed the very out of place joke written right beneath the end of the article? That was a really strange juxtapositioning; the joke had no connection to the article.

Do you think it likely that a 20years old Langford weighed 140lbs on 26th of April1906 for Jack Johnson ,
when he had weighed 155lbs on May26th 1905 to fight Young PeterJackson?
Do you think it plausible that Johnson weighed200lbs for the Langford fight in1906 but then only weighed 192lbs for the Burns fight in December 1908
.What you need to keep in mind is that ,in DR Z you are talking to the premier Jack Johnson hater who was banned several times from another forum for his hate fests and is now here because he is permanently banned on there for another smear campaign on Joe Louis which he immediately brought here.DrZ will post any amount of bizzarre nonsense about Johnson just so long as it is negative.Here are some examples of his phobic hatred of Johnson.
Langford knocked Johnson down in their fight,he didn't.
Johnson was tko'd in a spar with Gun Boat Smith,he wasn't, by all accountsJohnson was knocked partially through the ropes,the spar was halted,Johnson then sparred 2 rounds a piece with 3 other sparring partners.As everyone knows you can not be tko'd in a sparring match.

That Burns was suffering from jaundice when he defended his title against Johnson,he wasn't.

That Johnson was so badly hurt to the body in the Burns fight that he went to the hospital immediately after the fight,he didn't ,he went for a swim.

That Johnson deliberately fouled out to Joe Jeannette because he was being beaten up.Read Pollacks account if you want the truth.

That Johnson deliberately fouled Sandy Ferguson,he didn't Ferguson kneed him and hit him low several times.

That Johnson was in danger of losing his title to Battling Jim and the fight was shortened to 10 rds to save his title it wasnt it was always scheduled for 10rds.

That the Johnson v Jeffries fight was even after 10 rds,it wasnt Johnson was well in front.as early as the 6th round Jim Corbett and Jack Jeffries could plainly see that Jeffries cause was lost ."your brothers beat Jack what shall we do?"

That Jeffries was the stronger man against Johnson until he tired,he wasnt early in the rounds Johnson was manhandling Jeffries and walking him backwards,talking over Jeffries shoulder to Corbett,saying," where do you want him Mister Corbett?"

That Jim Flynn was wearing Johnson down in their second fight,he wasnt Flynn never won a round and the referee stated Flynn was deliberately trying to foul out to save himself from the beating he was getting .

These are just some of the lies Dr Z formerly Mendoza[banned] ,formerly Dr Z[ banned]repeatedly propagates on boxing forums now he is here at ,[the Last Chance Saloon] with nowhere to go if he gets banned here.

DrZ/Mendoza, the Jack Johnson hater extraordinaire!

[Ivich]

Well that's easily proven false since, like I said, he accepted 3 times.



This is mostly hyperbole. Johnson nearly killed Langford...or at least beat the tar out of him. Hyperbole from the other matches don't mean much at all. It would have been closer perhaps, but the beating he put on Langford makes me think he easily beats him again.

Clay Moyle's biography of Langford states Johnson floored Langford 3 times.
"Jack Johnson handed me the only real beating I ever took".Sam Langford.
Clay believes Langford's best weight was between175 and 180lbs.
He also believes, prime for prime Johnson beats Langford,an opinion shared by John L Sullivan.

[Ivich]

I'm talking about what Langford is saying. No contact was good enough for Johnson to accept teams v Langford one he matured. Insert you excuses. The offers were for 6, 10 rounds 20 rounds or more!

Several promoters made such offers. It would have been a good fight in 1909 when Johnson for several 6 rounders, sometimes for less money, don't you think? Judging by these 6 rounders being out boxed in a news draw according to some with O'brien, being stung by of the few Ross punches that Ross landed don't be dismissive on Langford chances in 1909 or beyond.

Name a promoter who offered Johnson$30,00 to defend against Langford,Jeannette,and McVey that Johnson did not accept? Name the promoter,name the venue and date,and name the purse?

[Ivich]

You were talking about the contract. The contract wasn't for $10,000,000. Nowhere near it.

Johnson accepted fights with Langford at least 3 times. Once Langford dodged out of, another Langford apparently couldn't raise the money. One was canceled by the promoter.

This hater has a mission to **** on Johnson on every boxing forum that accepts him,and he keeps it up until he gets banned ,then he moves on to the next one.The man is sick.