Johnson vs Langford 1909

[QueensburyRules]

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Langford and Jeannette were in Paris to fight one another,which they did ,the day after Johnson fought Battling Jim.
The French Federation stripped Johnson of his title BEFORE his fight with Battling Jim and subsequently awarded it to Langford,a month later they reinstated Johnson.Do you know I've never see a post by you in which you have the facts ,such meagre "information" as you proffer is invariably WRONG as it is on this occasion!

What a complete moronic waste of space you are!

1913-12-20	188¼	185¾		Sam Langford	95 10 26		Luna Park Arena, Paris	L-PTS	20/20		event bout score wiki
ref: Franz Reichel World Heavyweight Title, as recognized by the French Boxing Federation which had stripped Jack Johnson (and which shortly after stripped Langford)

- - Thanks for showing they in Paris to fight JJ who ducked, so of course they fight each other to pay their way home and Sam won the title. We best buds now, is it?

Jack Johnson 214 lbs drew with Battling Jim Johnson 223 lbs by PTS in round 10 of 10

• Date: 1913-12-19
• Location: Élysée Montmartre, Paris, Paris, France
• Referee: Emile Maitrot

• World Heavyweight Championship (7th defense by Jack Johnson)

• A cabled article printed in the Evening World (New York City) stated:

Jack Johnson barely missed losing his heavyweight championship in a ten round bout here last night. Jeffries' conqueror met Battling Jim Johnson, a big negro from Memphis Tenn. and barely lasted through the final round. He was tottering and groggy at the finish. A few rounds more and he might have been knocked out. . . . In the last minute of the fight the Memphis negro rushed Johnson to the ropes and in a mixup both went to the floor, with Jack's arm around Jim's waist. Both were on their feet quickly but Jack looked exhausted just as the final bell rang. It is possible that Jack hurt his arm in the fall to the floor. . . . In the seventh round the Memphis man succeeded in breaking down Jack's guard and three times after landing on the body grazed Jack's jaw with terrific uppercuts

[Willie Pep 229]

[QUOTE=Ivich;n31686218]

Langford and Jeannette were in Paris to fight one another,which they did ,the day after Johnson fought Battling Jim.
The French Federation stripped Johnson of his title BEFORE his fight with Battling Jim and subsequently awarded it to Langford,a month later they reinstated Johnson.Do you know I've never see a post by you in which you have the facts ,such meagre "information" as you proffer is invariably WRONG as it is on this occasion!

What a complete moronic waste of space you are!

1913-12-20	188¼	185¾		Sam Langford	95 10 26		Luna Park Arena, Paris	L-PTS	20/20		event bout score wiki
ref: Franz Reichel World Heavyweight Title, as recognized by the French Boxing Federation which had stripped Jack Johnson (and which shortly after stripped Langford)

There was a Luna Park in Paris? Was that like there being a French Disney World?

In case I am being esoteric, one of the three major amusement parks, at turn of the century Coney Island, was called Luna Park.

The other two were called Dreamland and Steeplechase Park.

I guess it makes sense, they use to stage fights at Coney Island as well.

P.S. In 1911 Dreamland caught fire (while closed at night) two days later, desperate for revenue the owners charged 10 cents to let people walk through the burnt out park.

P.S.S. There is a great American Experience episode about the history of Coney Island worth a viewing.

[Ivich]

[QUOTE=QueensburyRules;n31686270]

- - Thanks for showing they in Paris to fight JJ who ducked, so of course they fight each other to pay their way home and Sam won the title. We best buds now, is it?

Jack Johnson 214 lbs drew with Battling Jim Johnson 223 lbs by PTS in round 10 of 10

• Date: 1913-12-19
• Location: Élysée Montmartre, Paris, Paris, France
• Referee: Emile Maitrot

• World Heavyweight Championship (7th defense by Jack Johnson)

• A cabled article printed in the Evening World (New York City) stated:

Jack Johnson barely missed losing his heavyweight championship in a ten round bout here last night. Jeffries' conqueror met Battling Jim Johnson, a big negro from Memphis Tenn. and barely lasted through the final round. He was tottering and groggy at the finish. A few rounds more and he might have been knocked out. . . . In the last minute of the fight the Memphis negro rushed Johnson to the ropes and in a mixup both went to the floor, with Jack's arm around Jim's waist. Both were on their feet quickly but Jack looked exhausted just as the final bell rang. It is possible that Jack hurt his arm in the fall to the floor. . . . In the seventh round the Memphis man succeeded in breaking down Jack's guard and three times after landing on the body grazed Jack's jaw with terrific uppercuts

Johnson was stripped of his title by the French federation on Nov 6th 1913 a month before he fought Battling Jim
As usual you dont know what the **** you're talking about!

• The December 20, 1913, edition of the Saskatoon Phoenix (Saskatoon, Canada) stated:

Jack Johnson, the heavyweight champion, and Battling Jim Johnson, another colored pugilist, of Galveston, Texas, met in a ten-round contest here to-night, which ended in a draw. The spectators loudly protested throughout that the men were not fighting, and demanded their money back. Many of them left the hall. The organizers of the fight explained the fiasco by asserting that Jack Johnson's left arm was broken in the third round. There is no confirmation of a report that Jack Johnson had been stabbed, and no evidence at the ringside of such an accident. During the first three rounds he was obviously playing with his opponent. After that it was observed that he was only using his right hand. When the fight was over he complained that his arm had been injured. Doctors who made an examination certified to a slight fracture of the radius of the left arm. The general opinion is that his arm was injured in a wrestling match early in the week, and that a blow to-night caused the fracture of the bone.

Buddies with you? I wouldnt piss on a POS like you.
Your only reason for being here is to try and get up peoples nose with your asinine comments.

[QueensburyRules]

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Johnson was stripped of his title by the French federation on Nov 6th 1913 a month before he fought Battling Jim
As usual you dont know what the **** you're talking about!

• The December 20, 1913, edition of the Saskatoon Phoenix (Saskatoon, Canada) stated:

Jack Johnson, the heavyweight champion, and Battling Jim Johnson, another colored pugilist, of Galveston, Texas, met in a ten-round contest here to-night, which ended in a draw. The spectators loudly protested throughout that the men were not fighting, and demanded their money back. Many of them left the hall. The organizers of the fight explained the fiasco by asserting that Jack Johnson's left arm was broken in the third round. There is no confirmation of a report that Jack Johnson had been stabbed, and no evidence at the ringside of such an accident. During the first three rounds he was obviously playing with his opponent. After that it was observed that he was only using his right hand. When the fight was over he complained that his arm had been injured. Doctors who made an examination certified to a slight fracture of the radius of the left arm. The general opinion is that his arm was injured in a wrestling match early in the week, and that a blow to-night caused the fracture of the bone.

Buddies with you? I wouldnt piss on a POS like you.
Your only reason for being here is to try and get up peoples nose with your asinine comments.

- - Moi jus quote available data whilst U dine on fine wine stirred fried snails and chopped fetal lamb in French restaurants.

Battling Jim Gallery show his physique used to bust up JJ.

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Ca...ohnson_Gallery

[Ivich]

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- - Moi jus quote available data whilst U dine on fine wine stirred fried snails and chopped fetal lamb in French restaurants.

Battling Jim Gallery show his physique used to bust up JJ.

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Ca...ohnson_Gallery

**** me can you get nothing right?
Its FEOTAL you ignoramus! FFS!

[QueensburyRules]

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There was a Luna Park in Paris? Was that like there being a French Disney World?

In case I am being esoteric, one of the three major amusement parks, at turn of the century Coney Island, was called Luna Park.

The other two were called Dreamland and Steeplechase Park.

I guess it makes sense, they use to stage fights at Coney Island as well.

P.S. In 1911 Dreamland caught fire (while closed at night) two days later, desperate for revenue the owners charged 10 cents to let people walk through the burnt out park.

P.S.S. There is a great American Experience episode about the history of Coney Island worth a viewing.

- -, Great, but keep in mind you quoted Ivitch attributed to me.

After the Battle Jim fiasco, French Feds strip JJ to put his title up for Joe vs Sam. At some point they award their title back to JJ, but it's so gratuitously schizophrenic, it hardly matters as to it pertains to the fighters where JJ was ducking Joe and Sam.

[Ivich]

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- -, Great, but keep in mind you quoted Ivitch attributed to me.

After the Battle Jim fiasco, French Feds strip JJ to put his title up for Joe vs Sam. At some point they award their title back to JJ, but it's so gratuitously schizophrenic, it hardly matters as to it pertains to the fighters where JJ was ducking Joe and Sam.

Johnson was stripped of his title by the French Federation.
BEFORE HE FOUGHT BATTLING JIM
ON NOVEMBER THE 6th 1913 TO BE PRECISE!
JOHNSON DID NOT DEFEND AGAINST BATTLING JIM UNTIL 19TH DECEMBER 1913!

IF YOU HAD ANY BRAINS YOU WOULD BE EMBARRASSED BY YOUR COMPLETE IGNORANCE OF THE SUBJECTS YOU TRY AND PONTIFICATE ON!

WHAT A MORON!

[Willie Pep 229]

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Johnsonwas stripped of his title by the French federation.
BEFORE HE FOUGHT BATTLING JIM
ON NOVEMBER THE 6thTO BE PRECISE!

Why does my name keep appearing next to things Queen said?

You're editing is distorting the Boxing Scene historical record; down the line someone is going to throw these posts back into face. LOL

Actually I get it, I remember what you asked; just screwing with you.

P.S. What does it matter what the French did anyway?

[GhostofDempsey]

[QUOTE=Ivich;n31692455]

Johnson was stripped of his title by the French Federation.
BEFORE HE FOUGHT BATTLING JIM
ON NOVEMBER THE 6th 1913 TO BE PRECISE!
JOHNSON DID NOT DEFEND AGAINST BATTLING JIM UNTIL 19TH DECEMBER 1913!

IF YOU HAD ANY BRAINS YOU WOULD BE EMBARRASSED BY YOUR COMPLETE IGNORANCE OF THE SUBJECTS YOU TRY AND PONTIFICATE ON!

WHAT A MORON!

You really are an angry little fella, lol.

JJ ducked Jeannette when offered $20K, same year he accepted far less than $5K...closer to $1K, to fight Battling Jim. That fact has been established, no amount of smoke and mirrors will change that. Johnson never made a serious effort to fight the big three once he was champion.

In Jeannette's own words in 1912:

" For the past year both my manager and myself have tried to obtain a contest with Jack Johnson. We have repeatedly sent him challenges, all of which he has ignored. This moving picture champion, who by a lucky break at Reno became the World's Champion, now refuses to defend that title. I hereby defy him to meet me. I further add that this refusal to fight me is due to cowardice. He knows that he will lose his title if he ever meets Langford or myself. He is now stalling about meeting Langford, but really wants to pick on Jim Flynn or Al Palzer, and he knows right well that Palzer is a novice but these are the kind of men he would fight. I have whipped him decisively several times in Philadelphia, and he deliberately quit on me in one contest over there. I say quit because when I had him bad he maliciously fouled me to save himself from defeat. He has been offered $10,000 to box me six rounds in Philadelphia and $10,000 to fight me in this city ( New York) but both these offers he has ignored. If he can get up enough courage to box me twenty rounds I will bet him $5,000 that I will stop him. I will not say "knock him out" for he has not enough courage to stand up and fight and be knocked out. I sail for Europe this week and will return on the next ship if Johnson has enough nerve to accept my defy. I know that I can beat him and I know that the public would like to see the title change hands. Now, Mr Johnson, are you a fighter or a 'four-flusher.' Your answer to this letter will decide the question."

We all know what happened in 1912. Johnson new full well the NY commission would not allow him to fight in NY, so the big show he put on agreeing to fight Jeannette in NY was all for naught, he knew it would never happen.

[Ivich]

[QUOTE=GhostofDempsey;n31692497]

You really are an angry little fella, lol.

JJ ducked Jeannette when offered $20K, same year he accepted far less than $5K...closer to $1K, to fight Battling Jim. That fact has been established, no amount of smoke and mirrors will change that. Johnson never made a serious effort to fight the big three once he was champion.

In Jeannette's own words in 1912:

" For the past year both my manager and myself have tried to obtain a contest with Jack Johnson. We have repeatedly sent him challenges, all of which he has ignored. This moving picture champion, who by a lucky break at Reno became the World's Champion, now refuses to defend that title. I hereby defy him to meet me. I further add that this refusal to fight me is due to cowardice. He knows that he will lose his title if he ever meets Langford or myself. He is now stalling about meeting Langford, but really wants to pick on Jim Flynn or Al Palzer, and he knows right well that Palzer is a novice but these are the kind of men he would fight. I have whipped him decisively several times in Philadelphia, and he deliberately quit on me in one contest over there. I say quit because when I had him bad he maliciously fouled me to save himself from defeat. He has been offered $10,000 to box me six rounds in Philadelphia and $10,000 to fight me in this city ( New York) but both these offers he has ignored. If he can get up enough courage to box me twenty rounds I will bet him $5,000 that I will stop him. I will not say "knock him out" for he has not enough courage to stand up and fight and be knocked out. I sail for Europe this week and will return on the next ship if Johnson has enough nerve to accept my defy. I know that I can beat him and I know that the public would like to see the title change hands. Now, Mr Johnson, are you a fighter or a 'four-flusher.' Your answer to this letter will decide the question."

We all know what happened in 1912. Johnson new full well the NY commission would not allow him to fight in NY, so the big show he put on agreeing to fight Jeannette in NY was all for naught, he knew it would never happen.

How did Johnson know the NYAC would not allow the fight ? The promoters, the McMahon brothers didnt and neither did Joe Jeannette? So was Johnson privy to secret information that they werent?lol Johnson went to NY for the fight why, would he do that if he knew it would not take place?

How did Johnson become the world's champion at Reno when he had won the title 2 years previously in Sydney Australia?LOL When did Jeannette ever whip Johnson decisively? He beat him ONCE on a disputed foul in the 2nd rd of a fight in which Johnson was dominating the action! Jeannette stop Johnson? In 5 fights he never manged to even floor him!

Johnson floored Jeannette multiple times in their series,Jeannette never knocked Johnson down.

Johnson once fought Jeannette and another fighter ,Walter Johson on the same night ,he ko'd Johnson in3 rds and floored Jeannette 3 times in their 3 rd go , what had he to fear from Jeannette?

Johnson refused to defend against Jeannette for $20,000 but he readily accepted both offers of $30,000 to fight him.
Jeannette made a public statement concerning the 2 attempts to put on a title fight with Johnson in NY,absolving Johnson of any blame for the fights not happening.

Me angry? You dont know enough about the subject for me to take you seriously let alone get angry about itLOL!
I should be charging you for educating your thick mind!
Stop embarrassing yourself FFS! It's Pitiful!