The Top-10 All Time Greatest P4P List

[BodyBagz]

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I favour Maywaether over Golovkin to be honest. Especially his 2013 version. Golovkin couldn't land anything except jabs like always. But, we gotta see his body at 155-160. His heaviest fight nights were 148 in Oscar and 150 in Canelo.

Canelo vs Usyk is utterly ridiculous fight. I hope you're not serious.

Canelo and Callum Smith

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Usyk and Callum Smith..

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Canelo vs Usyk (I think Usyk should be a bit taller)

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You can spot Canelo's super high standards from these photos.

I still think a 30 yo Pac would beat Spence and Crawford. None of them are too skilled.

May > GGG @ CW all day.
May @ full MW vs a young power punching guy who lives there ?
May would have to make it the most boring, unwatchable fight if he wanted to win.
The booing would be heard around the world.
TBF, his fight with Pac, while easy, wasn't too impressive.
Now imagine that May at MW vs GGG.

Nelo vs Usyk @ HW is a funny thought

Size, in the right fighter, is a very dangerous weapon.
Usyk is obviously a completely different beast than anyone Nelo has fought.
Nelo could last 12 but it wouldn't be pretty.
A mismatch if there ever was one.
In the slim chance that Nelo catches Usyk slacking off (no way he wins a UD), the haters will use that as proof for Usyk being a hype job.
Not giving Nelo an ounce of credit.

[Silence]

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May > GGG @ CW all day.
May @ full MW vs a young power punching guy who lives there ?
May would have to make it the most boring, unwatchable fight if he wanted to win.
The booing would be heard around the world.
TBF, his fight with Pac, while easy, wasn't too impressive.
Now imagine that May at MW vs GGG.

Nelo vs Usyk @ HW is a funny thought

Size, in the right fighter, is a very dangerous weapon.
Usyk is obviously a completely different beast than anyone Nelo has fought.
Nelo could last 12 but it wouldn't be pretty.
A mismatch if there ever was one.
In the slim chance that Nelo catches Usyk slacking off (no way he wins a UD), the haters will use that as proof for Usyk being a hype job.
Not giving Nelo an ounce of credit.

All jokes aside, I always thought Canelo gotta become undisputed at 175 and beat Usyk if he genuinely wanna become the undisputed GOAT.

But, nowadays I think that if he becomes undisputed at 175 and then at 160, he still can surpass SRR. But, he can't become undisputed GOAT like against Usyk.

He will be 33 in Ryder and the train already missed imo. He'll finish his career more like between top 5-7. His arrogance in the Bivol fight prevented his peak achievements. He still has hell of a career tho.

[QueensburyRules]

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All jokes aside, I always thought Canelo gotta become undisputed at 175 and beat Usyk if he genuinely wanna become the undisputed GOAT.

But, nowadays I think that if he becomes undisputed at 175 and then at 160, he still can surpass SRR. But, he can't become undisputed GOAT like against Usyk.

He will be 33 in Ryder and the train already missed imo. He'll finish his career more like between top 5-7. His arrogance in the Bivol fight prevented his peak achievements. He still has hell of a career tho.

- - Canelo in the Manny phase of his career. No more starving to make weight. Just show up in great shape with his craft as his calling card, ie 168-174.

[Ropss]

TL/DR ?!?

I have a bias against the old timers (they look so crude and too many padded stats).
There are so many fighters from those days with no fights to watch that somehow keep making these lists.
Also, it's hard to make a list that is all inclusive.
99.whatever % of the time, HWs stay there. Not saying a guy has to move around weights, but it could help in his chase for ''greatness''.
HWs don't really have to train as rigorously as the lower classes do.
I don't watch those tiny guys (less than 115 lbs).
Going by TESTED TALENT (BEATING legit threats. Name of the game is WINNING.).
IDGAF about the stories historians wrote about. They had no idea of how much the sport will change.

Consider this - Most lists by experts will have Rocky Marciano ranked in the top 10 (or higher !!!!!)

This is NOT a H2H list

Fighters I think would excel regardless the era -
Ali
A legit resume. Wasn't a power puncher but it didn't matter. He was a master of mindfckery and had the tools to back it up. Gave so called killers multiple fights to prove it was no fluke.

RJJ
I kinda don't want to put him this high due to his questionable resume. but he was phenomenal. No one can mess with him in his prime. I wish he would have not gone after Ruiz title.

SRR
I don't want to be perma banned for not having him in my top 3. As was the case with EVERYONE who fought in his days, resumes were padded AF. All of this fighting 12x a year bull****
Clearly quantity over quality

PBF/May
PBF was the perfect fighter. When he morphed into May, he was almost perfect. As is the case when fighters move up, their power usually doesn't follow. Add in his brittle hands and it's amazing he was so successful. Think about it. You're a boxer with bad hands....and no one can beat you ?!?!? I can't think of a smarter fighter.

Lewis
Yeah, yeah. Rahman and McCall. Lenny exacted immediate and resounding revenge. IMHO, he would dominate any div he fought in. Massive power and not the typical robotic Euro guy. Legit resume as well. Heaven help these fools pretending to be HWs if Lenny were around.

SRL
Homeboy was a smaller Ali. Hated how him and Hagler didn't fight when both were at their best. Wasn't a fan of his above WW.

Hagler
A true warrior. Nothing flashy. My only issue with him was he could be lured into brawls when he was smarter than that. He was not an eat 10 hoping to land one caveman. Sometimes he fought like it.

Pea
Not a favorite of mine and almost unwatchable but dude was a winner.

Hop
(See Pea)

Duran
He was Barrera, Morales and JMM wrapped up in 1. Wasn't a fan of his when he moved up. He didn't embarrass himself but not his best.


Notes -
I didn't include,
Pac because his entire WW resume is shady AF. Between guys at their worst and *'s, that is too many fights for me to ignore. I give him credit for moving up and being ''fun to watch''. His resume does not match the hype and I don't think his skill level would carry him through the eras.

Holmes because of his retched resume. I do feel he could have beaten every HW that ever was but his resume is just too weak.....which is not his fault. A guy can only fight who's there. Which is why I don't like ranking HWs high.

Mike Tyson, mostly for the same reason as Pac....however, imho, Mike would absolutely destroy all of those old time HWs. Would most likely dominate this era (big whoop) with ease.

Tua and Holy....Legit resumes but Tua just couldn't get those big wins. Holy was a bigger version of Hagler but more flawed. Both would definitely manhandle old timers and these present day bums.

Fck them old timers

Undefeated King Fury flattens everyone in history

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- - Canelo in the Manny phase of his career. No more starving to make weight. Just show up in great shape with his craft as his calling card, ie 168-174.

He'll retire at 168 if Bivol rematch doesn't happen. It's not hard to predict. His athleticism peak was 154 and 160. He can easily become undisputed at 160 by snack fights in Charlo/Janibek. But, there is no hunger anymore. Also, his body is too tired and faded because of move up & move down circulation. He is old 32.

He loses to Bivol and Beterbiev with his current style. His shadow is enough to beat likes of Benavidez, Plant (rematch) and Morrell Jr. At the end of the day, talent is permanent.

If I was Canelo, I'd retire after beat Ryder and Plant/Benavidez winner. Because 175 needs radical change in style and 160 needs will to lose weight.

[kara]

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He'll retire at 168 if Bivol rematch doesn't happen. It's not hard to predict. His athleticism peak was 154 and 160. He can easily become undisputed at 160 by snack fights in Charlo/Janibek. But, there is no hunger anymore. Also, his body is too tired and faded because of move up & move down circulation. He is old 32.

He loses to Bivol and Beterbiev with his current style. His shadow is enough to beat likes of Benavidez, Plant (rematch) and Morrell Jr. At the end of the day, talent is permanent.

If I was Canelo, I'd retire after beat Ryder and Plant/Benavidez winner. Because 175 needs radical change in style and 160 needs will to lose weight.

I could see him going to 175 again, for the right guy.

[QueensburyRules]

- - ie:

Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post
He'll retire at 168 if Bivol rematch doesn't happen. It's not hard to predict. His athleticism peak was 154 and 160. He can easily become undisputed at 160 by snack fights in Charlo/Janibek. But, there is no hunger anymore. Also, his body is too tired and faded because of move up & move down circulation. He is old 32.

He loses to Bivol and Beterbiev with his current style. His shadow is enough to beat likes of Benavidez, Plant (rematch) and Morrell Jr. At the end of the day, talent is permanent.

If I was Canelo, I'd retire after beat Ryder and Plant/Benavidez winner. Because 175 needs radical change in style and 160 needs will to lose weight.

I did not say that /\. Some of you boys have been abusing the already limited quote function that makes a hash out of everything you post. Get it straight.

[billeau2]

regarding criteria for such a list... If your picks are consistent with your criteria then you have a great list lol. I know this is somewhat existential, but how can one really narrow down ten fighters on such a list objectively? I know that I cannot.

Resume is important for sure.

I agree with Dee Money that the greats are for any era. Boxing as it appears on tape, does not show that fighters have gotten better, quite the contrary. But we have fighters that we have not seen on tape, and its obviously impossible to judge them according to fighters that can be seen.

[BodyBagz]

Undefeated King Fury flattens everyone in history

And he has the resume to prove it

[The D3vil]

Mike Tyson is the goat in this department. He is the second most famous boxer "ever" and not even top 100 p4p atg.

At least Gatti fought prime Mayweather.

Stop.

Ring Magazine P4P King, undefeated, undisputed HW champion by the age of 22.

Beat 8 of 10 Ring rated fighters from the year he became champ

Tyson fought the best of his era and obliterated them.

It's not his fault Lennox & Evander & Rid**** weren't ready until the '90s