December 1963 extended Interview with Champion Sonny Liston - discusses Ali defense, his contenders, even the JFK Assassination

[QueensburyRules]

Don't play the age card with me lol. Seeing means what? We have film... I can "see" the event right now if I choose. Also hate to say but the Veteran card don't work either... Father was a Marine Second World War, part of first succesful landing in the South pacific, have two boys one in the Army (Intelligence) One in the Marines (Likewise)... Beercules knows about the Marines because he was there... That is a fact. Grow up since you been around a bit

- - You made up the age card, not me, the best you can do?

The original Zapruder film may not exist any more that I saw in the day. So many replica alterations have been made that it's like the Ali/Cooper tape where every known tape in existence has been spliced. Beeb taped over the original eons ago.

The best Beer has is hearsay, but more likely heresy. I'll take the word of a decorated military man Manchester in the day as both a witness to match mine, and as a decorated military man with high access to the Kennedys and the workings of American government not the least of which is LBJ.

I gotta ask you what grade you in again, is it?

[billeau2]

- - You made up the age card, not me, the best you can do?

The original Zapruder film may not exist any more that I saw in the day. So many replica alterations have been made that it's like the Ali/Cooper tape where every known tape in existence has been spliced. Beeb taped over the original eons ago.

The best Beer has is hearsay, but more likely heresy. I'll take the word of a decorated military man Manchester in the day as both a witness to match mine, and as a decorated military man with high access to the Kennedys and the workings of American government not the least of which is LBJ.

I gotta ask you what grade you in again, is it?

You claiming you been around is playing the age card.

I agree about the possibility of the tape being altered... that is possible.

It is all hearsay. Very hard to figure out facts in that whole mess lol. Gangsters who were suddenly patriotic, hitmen who missed... makes my head turn lol. Good enough for me to know that the mob hated Bobby and daddy was supposed to spank Bobby before he passed.

Marines know shooting and quality there of... Not saying it is absolute but it is an opinion to be respected.

[Willie Pep 229]

Marksman is the lowest qualifying grade a recruit can receive.

Saying LHO was a marksman kind of suggests he was not a 'great' shot.

But at the same time achieving a marksman badge still does make you better than 95% of the population.

For him to have made those three shots, two hits, will always be open to debate.

What his 'buddies' in the Corp said about him is qualified information.

He enlisted in 1956 and you only spend several weeks on The Island (Paris) where this issue would have played out. Then these vets were asked by reporters/Warren Commission seven year later, after the assassination, to remember a particular recurit (and that person's ability to shoot) when in reality they probably barely noticed him at the time.

FROM: https://www.operationmilitarykids.or...on/#usmc-rifle

There are three levels of scoring in the Marine Corps into which recruits fall.

Also, Marines earn a marksmanship badge to celebrate their score.

These include:

• Marksman
• Sharpshooter
• Expert

Marksman

A marksman is the lowest score possible to qualify still, and the scoring range is 250-279.

Sharpshooter

A sharpshooter is the next level of expertise.

To be a sharpshooter, you must have a combined score of 280-304.

Expert

The highest level of expertise in marksmanship is Expert.

You will need a score of 305-350 to qualify at this level.

[billeau2]

Marksman is the lowest qualifying grade a recruit can receive.

Saying LHO was a marksman kind of suggests he was not a 'great' shot.

But at the same time achieving a marksman badge still does make you better than 95% of the population.

For him to have made those three shots, two hits, will always be open to debate.

What his 'buddies' in the Corp said about him is qualified information.

He enlisted in 1956 and you only spend several weeks on The Island (Paris) where this issue would have played out. Then these vets were asked by reporters/Warren Commission seven year later, after the assassination, to remember a particular recurit (and that person's ability to shoot) when in reality they probably barely noticed him at the time.

FROM: https://www.operationmilitarykids.or...on/#usmc-rifle

There are three levels of scoring in the Marine Corps into which recruits fall.

Also, Marines earn a marksmanship badge to celebrate their score.

These include:

• Marksman
• Sharpshooter
• Expert

Marksman

A marksman is the lowest score possible to qualify still, and the scoring range is 250-279.

Sharpshooter

A sharpshooter is the next level of expertise.

To be a sharpshooter, you must have a combined score of 280-304.

Expert

The highest level of expertise in marksmanship is Expert.

You will need a score of 305-350 to qualify at this level.

Lol when my ole man would take us to Rockaway beach in New York (long since gone) he would be the bane of every carny guy with a shooting game. he never took the mass of stuffed animals unless we wanted one of them but he would blow away all the shooting games from being in the marines during the second world war. He told me he was one point away from expert, sharpshooter! So he was the second category.

[QueensburyRules]

You claiming you been around is playing the age card.

I agree about the possibility of the tape being altered... that is possible.

It is all hearsay. Very hard to figure out facts in that whole mess lol. Gangsters who were suddenly patriotic, hitmen who missed... makes my head turn lol. Good enough for me to know that the mob hated Bobby and daddy was supposed to spank Bobby before he passed.

Marines know shooting and quality there of... Not saying it is absolute but it is an opinion to be respected.

- - TU/Kerouac/Ginsburg confuso! El ******o?

I'm citing qualifications son, and given I learned to read before kindergarten via daily newspapers by matching photos with script of front page news and sports sections, I was a news print hound from that time until age 40 when the media took the current turn toward tabloid, further exacerbated by the internet.

Quite easy to figure Lee was the assassin, the biggest no brainer in the history of the world. Any conspiracy theories are tabloid exploitation of the soft moldable clay such as TU.

I would say since JFK had so many enemies both international and national, I would never rule out the possibility that Lew was financed and encourage in his ambitions, but if that could not be proven then, likely it would be buried with Lee absent a body to count.

Going back to the origins of this grade school level spat, OP said Lee couldn't have done it because Ruby killed him before authorities announced his fingerprints on his rifle.

TU gonna defend that absurdity?

Shaddup like Sonny did. Sonny was smart enough not to extrapolate on things he did not know, and as far as his being illiterate, in the interview he talked of reading Joe Louis Autobiography. He did eventually learn to read at a basic level, presumably assisted by Geraldine.

The reason for the question was that JFK was a genuine hero in the black community for pushing civil rights that LBJ took up and passed in Epic Civil Rights Legislation still on the books today. Giving Sonny a local platform to allow his thoughts to be expressed without a filter or exploitation was quite advanced in that media era.

[billeau2]

- - TU/Kerouac/Ginsburg confuso! El ******o?

I'm citing qualifications son, and given I learned to read before kindergarten via daily newspapers by matching photos with script of front page news and sports sections, I was a news print hound from that time until age 40 when the media took the current turn toward tabloid, further exacerbated by the internet.

Quite easy to figure Lee was the assassin, the biggest no brainer in the history of the world. Any conspiracy theories are tabloid exploitation of the soft moldable clay such as TU.

I would say since JFK had so many enemies both international and national, I would never rule out the possibility that Lew was financed and encourage in his ambitions, but if that could not be proven then, likely it would be buried with Lee absent a body to count.

Going back to the origins of this grade school level spat, OP said Lee couldn't have done it because Ruby killed him before authorities announced his fingerprints on his rifle.

TU gonna defend that absurdity?

Shaddup like Sonny did. Sonny was smart enough not to extrapolate on things he did not know, and as far as his being illiterate, in the interview he talked of reading Joe Louis Autobiography. He did eventually learn to read at a basic level, presumably assisted by Geraldine.

The reason for the question was that JFK was a genuine hero in the black community for pushing civil rights that LBJ took up and passed in Epic Civil Rights Legislation still on the books today. Giving Sonny a local platform to allow his thoughts to be expressed without a filter or exploitation was quite advanced in that media era.

Your shiating out your mouth again... That is what you are doing. You should know better, you don't. Your not qualified because you have an opinion in the same way as someone who understands the elements that a shooter would. Now... want to keep going? I will tell you what I tell the immortally ****** Iron Dan: I am going to stop responding feel free to take the last work after this post and keep shiating from the mouth.

[QueensburyRules]

Your shiating out your mouth again... That is what you are doing. You should know better, you don't. Your not qualified because you have an opinion in the same way as someone who understands the elements that a shooter would. Now... want to keep going? I will tell you what I tell the immortally ****** Iron Dan: I am going to stop responding feel free to take the last work after this post and keep shiating from the mouth.

- - Elements of a shooter have nothing to do with overwhelming evidence of guilt with zero evidence of innocence.

Yeah, regress to U grade school days not so long ago where U put people on ignore because U lack the intelligence to ignore them on U own.

At any rate, this Sonny video is a good find on many different levels, the kind of stuff the history section used to be known for, so much thanks to OP.

[billeau2]

Marksman is the lowest qualifying grade a recruit can receive.

Saying LHO was a marksman kind of suggests he was not a 'great' shot.

But at the same time achieving a marksman badge still does make you better than 95% of the population.

For him to have made those three shots, two hits, will always be open to debate.

What his 'buddies' in the Corp said about him is qualified information.

He enlisted in 1956 and you only spend several weeks on The Island (Paris) where this issue would have played out. Then these vets were asked by reporters/Warren Commission seven year later, after the assassination, to remember a particular recurit (and that person's ability to shoot) when in reality they probably barely noticed him at the time.

FROM: https://www.operationmilitarykids.or...on/#usmc-rifle

There are three levels of scoring in the Marine Corps into which recruits fall.

Also, Marines earn a marksmanship badge to celebrate their score.

These include:

• Marksman
• Sharpshooter
• Expert

Marksman

A marksman is the lowest score possible to qualify still, and the scoring range is 250-279.

Sharpshooter

A sharpshooter is the next level of expertise.

To be a sharpshooter, you must have a combined score of 280-304.

Expert

The highest level of expertise in marksmanship is Expert.

You will need a score of 305-350 to qualify at this level.

Yup... As beercules also points out, this does not do anything for his Marine credability... Not the guy you would hire to be the shooter, maybe to be the patsy?

[QueensburyRules]

Yup... As beercules also points out, this does not do anything for his Marine credability... Not the guy you would hire to be the shooter, maybe to be the patsy?

- - He said Patsy!!!

This the latest "JFK Book" by a PhewHD feller at the prestigious Hoover Institute, an American "Think Tank" and research org.

https://news.stanford.edu/2022/11/16/lee-harvey-oswald/

He's Russian, knew Lee and Marina, and says on one hand Lee had the means, motive, and soul of a killer, and just paragraphs later says he must of been a patsy because the assassination was too big for him.

Then he laments all the crack conspiracies', some of which had he and his pop in on it, and yup, paragraphs later encourages more research to get to the bottom.

Such is the level of current think tanks that have dragged us down to this current regrettable level in the world. Luckily for *****, he works for the Americans!!!

[Willie Pep 229]

- - He said Patsy!!!

This the latest "JFK Book" by a PhewHD feller at the prestigious Hoover Institute, an American "Think Tank" and research org.

https://news.stanford.edu/2022/11/16/lee-harvey-oswald/

He's Russian, knew Lee and Marina, and says on one hand Lee had the means, motive, and soul of a killer, and just paragraphs later says he must of been a patsy because the assassination was too big for him.

Then he laments all the crack conspiracies', some of which had he and his pop in on it, and yup, paragraphs later encourages more research to get to the bottom.

Such is the level of current think tanks that have dragged us down to this current regrettable level in the world. Luckily for *****, he works for the Americans!!!

He also includes that silly conclusion LHO was seeking a place in history. Hopefully I debunked a little of that absurdity above.

That he did it because his wife didn't think he was a 'real man' is sad but probably more likely than a CIA/mob hit.

I still say he acted alone but there was somewhere, someone he intended, after the fact, to strut around in front of.

JFK died because this guy saw himself as a loser and couldn't live with it and was determined to prove to those around him he was special.

Too simple?

But he held no desire for the history books; he wanted to get away with it.

He doesn't match the behavior of a long list of losers (see post above) who wanted/want public aclaim for their maddness. LHO dosen't fit the MO associated: instead he killed from a distance, fled the scence, killed again, hid, and then vehemently denied.

Conspiracy? Only with those unfortunate enough to have their lives entangled with him They were his unwitting motivators/audience.