Post Sugar Ray Robinson: Fighters Approaching His Greatness, Debatably Matching Him

[JAB5239]

- - As mentioned ad infinitum, posting source references for U akin to tossing pearls before swine.

And as also mentioned, no specious p4p evaluation parameters are mentioned in my header that U feebly dumb down the best U able.

Who asked for references? I already know you can't supply any so I didn't waste my time.

So you're saying no misleading parameters are mentioned? What exactly are the parameters? Because when you talk of all time greatness and how is pertains to p4p, there are no such parameters that exist in which would include Wlad into the equation for anyone with common sense.

[Willow The Wisp]

- - We had several hvys approach base Rocky level 49-0 record with none of his greatness, and all failed after 48-0.

Nobody since Louis has approached his all time hvy title record though technically Wlad has one more title "official" title fight, and one fight from matching his 26 title fight wins. Had he not fought the shamelessly steroided Fury, or had his new wife and then new mother not melted into postpartum depression causing great upheaval in his private life now worried about his he little helpless daughter is to be raised, he might well have made and exceeded the Louis mark until AJ would come along or retired.

But I get it understanding human psychology. Them dirty Russians suddenly show up to completely emasculate the joke of the American Heavyweight division. With predominant Americans now making all time rating lists and the like thinking in soprano as well as sing in soprano, well naturally they favor sopranos!

Stylistically on defense, Wlad was no worse than Ali, and much more successful overall in not being hit, and his offense vastly superior to Ali who too often gave up a lot of rounds because he knew judges would fudge their scores for him. Don't recall any significant robbery wins by Wlad compared to over a half dozen by Ali.

When Joe had controversial fights, he knocked em out in the rematch, and had he stay retired with the IRS gracing him for his unmatched contributions both financially and as an enlisted soldier where he provided mass morale boost for troops while flying in the same planes that could be shot down, Ali would properly be considered an entertaining joke in comparison.

I am OK being trash-Bated by QueensburyRules. I extend him that honor - he's fun, a solid trolling craftsman and he labors over his posts. It isn't everyone.
The Kiltschkos reigned over perhaps the weakest heavyweight division in modern history. I respect Wladimir tremendously. A IBHOF level heavyweight and there are only 20 of them in the modern catagory. Vitali, more durable but slower, less skilled and considerably less accomplished, deserves allot of respect as well. They were great, and always always comported themselves like real champions, never moreso than recently. But, to balance all the Anti-Ali, anti-Fury (and the anti-Holmes hyperbole comming right down the road); having witnessed live many of their fights and training camps; I never, ever saw either Klitschko brother do anything whatsoever that I wouldn't fully expect Jess Willard to do just as nicely - based on the fight films that exist on Willard + what I know about him and his opponents. And Willard often makes that mythical "worst heavyweight champions" list people make.
There. The universe is back in balance. For the moment.

[JAB5239]

I am OK being trash-Bated by QueensburyRules. I extend him that honor - he's fun, a solid trolling craftsman and he labors over his posts. It isn't everyone.
The Kiltschkos reigned over perhaps the weakest heavyweight division in modern history. I respect Wladimir tremendously. A IBHOF level heavyweight and there are only 20 of them in the modern catagory. Vitali, more durable but slower, less skilled and considerably less accomplished, deserves allot of respect as well. They were great, and always always comported themselves like real champions, never moreso than recently. But, to balance all the Anti-Ali, anti-Fury (and the anti-Holmes hyperbole comming right down the road); having witnessed live many of their fights and training camps; I never, ever saw either Klitschko brother do anything whatsoever that I wouldn't fully expect Jess Willard to do just as nicely - based on the fight films that exist on Willard + what I know about him and his opponents. And Willard often makes that mythical "worst heavyweight champions" list people make.
There. The universe is back in balance. For the moment.

He's a troll, that's it. A slightly better poster than Moneytheman, worse than everyone else. His double standards and biases know no limits.

[Willow The Wisp]

He's a troll, that's it. A slightly better poster than Moneytheman, worse than everyone else. His double standards and biases know no limits.

No argument from me, but he knows boxing too well to actually beleive some of his own statements. I think.
His assesment of Wladimir against Ali, Holmes or even Fury for example....lets see if we can find a home in the top 10 in 1975 or 2002 for Monty Barrett, James Toney, Fres Oquendo, Lamon Brewster, Nikolay Valuev, Calvin Brock, Kirk Johnson, Serguei Lyakhovich, Vladimir Virchis, Juan Carlos Gomez, Sultan Ibragimov, Alexander Dimitrenko, Eddie Chambers or Denis Botstov.
Kiltschko's kingdom.
Robert Helenius, Deontay’s last 2 minute victim was ranked # 6 during Wladdy's reign of terror, year after year. He earned a fight with Wilder with the two best wins of his career, not to beat it up too much.

[JAB5239]

No argument from me, but he knows boxing too well to actually beleive some of his own statements. I think.
His assesment of Wladimir against Ali, Holmes or even Fury for example....lets see if we can find a home in the top 10 in 1975 or 2002 for Monty Barrett, James Toney, Fres Oquendo, Lamon Brewster, Nikolay Valuev, Calvin Brock, Kirk Johnson, Serguei Lyakhovich, Vladimir Virchis, Juan Carlos Gomez, Sultan Ibragimov, Alexander Dimitrenko, Eddie Chambers or Denis Botstov.
Kiltschko's kingdom.
Robert Helenius, Deontay’s last 2 minute victim was ranked # 6 during Wladdy's reign of terror, year after year. He earned a fight with Wilder with the two best wins of his career, not to beat it up too much.

Doesn't that make him an even bigger troll?

I would have to comb thru the years chosen. I'm sure you could squeeze one or two in here or there, but as a whole, the era the K's fought in was weak because besides the Klits most of the top ten were one and done while rated. It shows they didn't try to persevere thru adversity in my opinion. That said, I don't believe Wlad or Vits persevered thru adversity either. Neither sought rematches with the men who beat them save for Lennox who retired and stayed retired.

[QueensburyRules]

Who asked for references? I already know you can't supply any so I didn't waste my time.

So you're saying no misleading parameters are mentioned? What exactly are the parameters? Because when you talk of all time greatness and how is pertains to p4p, there are no such parameters that exist in which would include Wlad into the equation for anyone with common sense.

- - I'm the source, and U the monkey.

No p4p criteria in the header, and I never mentioned it until U butchered it. Welcome to find any heavy who ever challenged Joe Louis title record other than Wlad or any of the other records I mentioned.

[QueensburyRules]

I am OK being trash-Bated by QueensburyRules. I extend him that honor - he's fun, a solid trolling craftsman and he labors over his posts. It isn't everyone.
The Kiltschkos reigned over perhaps the weakest heavyweight division in modern history. I respect Wladimir tremendously. A IBHOF level heavyweight and there are only 20 of them in the modern catagory. Vitali, more durable but slower, less skilled and considerably less accomplished, deserves allot of respect as well. They were great, and always always comported themselves like real champions, never moreso than recently. But, to balance all the Anti-Ali, anti-Fury (and the anti-Holmes hyperbole comming right down the road); having witnessed live many of their fights and training camps; I never, ever saw either Klitschko brother do anything whatsoever that I wouldn't fully expect Jess Willard to do just as nicely - based on the fight films that exist on Willard + what I know about him and his opponents. And Willard often makes that mythical "worst heavyweight champions" list people make.
There. The universe is back in balance. For the moment.

- - For starters, line up all the heavy champs in history who could beat the 6-5, 250lb southpaw Tony Thompson who gave Wlad all he could handle.

The universe could use a few laughs.

[QueensburyRules]

Doesn't that make him an even bigger troll?

I would have to comb thru the years chosen. I'm sure you could squeeze one or two in here or there, but as a whole, the era the K's fought in was weak because besides the Klits most of the top ten were one and done while rated. It shows they didn't try to persevere thru adversity in my opinion. That said, I don't believe Wlad or Vits persevered thru adversity either. Neither sought rematches with the men who beat them save for Lennox who retired and stayed retired.

- - They had to fight mostly Euros because save a Tony Thompson and a few others who made most their $$ overseas, Tyson, Holy, Bowe, and yes Lewie wouldn't fight them, ie Americans/Brits turning into school girls instead of fighters.

You're an embarrassment to all the great American fighters you think you're supporting who would be embarrassed to have such a soft lad as you touting them.

[JAB5239]

- - They had to fight mostly Euros because save a Tony Thompson and a few others who made most their $$ overseas, Tyson, Holy, Bowe, and yes Lewie wouldn't fight them, ie Americans/Brits turning into school girls instead of fighters.

You're an embarrassment to all the great American fighters you think you're supporting who would be embarrassed to have such a soft lad as you touting them.

We've been over this. The Klits were not worth fighting for Holyfield or Tyson. Lewis destroyed Vits face, and Wlad lost to Sanders to derail a possible Lewis fight. Bowe was finished in 1996 when the Klits were still getting their feet wet in the pro ranks. What does any of that have to do with you naming Wlad as one of the best p4p fighters since Robinson?

Keep trolling Turd gobbler.

[QueensburyRules]

We've been over this. The Klits were not worth fighting for Holyfield or Tyson. Lewis destroyed Vits face, and Wlad lost to Sanders to derail a possible Lewis fight. Bowe was finished in 1996 when the Klits were still getting their feet wet in the pro ranks. What does any of that have to do with you naming Wlad as one of the best p4p fighters since Robinson?

Keep trolling Turd gobbler.

- - U admitting that Ranked Bowe, Field, Tyson, and Lewie wouldn't fight them says it all. U soprano becoming brittle. They have testa pills for that.